Range: Tesla Model Y Long Range vs Mach-E

[PappuMal]

Currently driving a 2021 Tesla Model YLR, and one great thing about Tesla is the 3rd party apps that you can connect to your Tesla account and record real world driving & charging stats. Teslafi and Tezlab are two I'm going to miss when my Mach-e comes in.

That said, one huge data point people look at when buying an EV is range, and Elon will tell the world his Model Y gets 330 miles range. This is completely true... if driving downhill on a 75 degree day. Real world, not so much. In the 15 months I've had the Model Y I've put 28k miles on it. The average across those 28k miles, ranging in temps from 19-95 degrees F ends up at 3.7 miles per kW. With a 75 kWh battery, that's a 278 mile range. Yeah, not exactly 330 like Elon wants people to believe.

Cool part, is I can pull data based on temperature. When I do, it's clear to see Tesla is overstating their range:
30 degrees - 2.9 miles / kW (217 mile range)
50 degrees - 3.2 miles / kW (240 mile range)
70 degrees - 3.8 miles / kW (285 mile range)
90 degrees - 3.6 miles / kW (270 mile range)

Keep in mind, these are all AVERAGES of a mix of highway/city driving of which I'd estimate are a 60/40 split between the two. I live in Northeast PA near Philly, so I do get a range of temps.

I bought the Model Y because of that 330 range, even though I liked the looks of the Mach-e far better because when transitioning from an ICE vehicle to EV range is king. Had I had this kind of info when shopping for an EV I probably would've gone with the Mach-e. Now, with knowledge and experience in owning an EV under my belt, I have the car I wanted from the start on order.

Hopefully this information helps someone else who might be in the position I was in 2 years ago.

I have both MME (mine; Route 1 RWD; 19 inch wheels; 10 month old) and MYLR (wife's; AWD; 19 inch wheel; 2 week old).

Have driven MME for 13k miles in CA weather and mostly flat driving. Usually get around 3.7 miles/kWh . That's 336 miles range on 91 kWh battery, higher than 314 miles range that we were promised.

So far MYLR in local drive of 118 miles gave 3.2 miles/kWh. Mind you, this is in summer of Bay Area. All the talk about MYLR being more efficient is pure BS!

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[voxel]

I have both MME (mine; Route 1 RWD; 19 inch wheels; 10 month old) and MYLR (wife's; AWD; 19 inch wheel; 2 week old).

Have driven MME for 13k miles in CA weather and mostly flat driving. Usually get around 3.7 miles/kWh . That's 336 miles range on 91 kWh battery, higher than 314 miles range that we were promised.

So far MYLR in local drive of 118 miles gave 3.2 miles/kWh. Mind you, this is in summer of Bay Area. All the talk about MYLR being more efficient is pure BS!

Your Y numbers are way off unless you are driving 85mph. I had incorrect efficiency numbers on the first two days (100 miles) of ownership that was in the 325 Wh/mile range but normalized to sub 280 Wh/mile after.

Normal Y efficiency is around 3.6-3.8 mi/kWh. Give it time.

Anyhow… I’ve owned 4 Mach-Es and 4 Model Ys over the last two years so I’m very familiar with both lol. Get TeslaFi to track your efficiency.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I have both MME (mine; Route 1 RWD; 19 inch wheels; 10 month old) and MYLR (wife's; AWD; 19 inch wheel; 2 week old).

Have driven MME for 13k miles in CA weather and mostly flat driving. Usually get around 3.7 miles/kWh . That's 336 miles range on 91 kWh battery, higher than 314 miles range that we were promised.

So far MYLR in local drive of 118 miles gave 3.2 miles/kWh. Mind you, this is in summer of Bay Area. All the talk about MYLR being more efficient is pure BS!

118 miles is a really small sample To make any conclusion about efficiency.

I have a MYP and a GTPE. both with 20k miles. Over their lifetime, the GTPE gets 2.6 mi/kWh. The MYP gets 3.8. Same roads. Same conditions.

 

[PappuMal]

118 miles is a really small sample To make any conclusion about efficiency.

I have a MYP and a GTPE. both with 20k miles. Over their lifetime, the GTPE gets 2.6 mi/kWh. The MYP gets 3.8. Same roads. Same conditions.

Sure. It is small sample and it seems with more driving average efficiency number are getting better. But I doubt MY will be more efficient than MME. Or that it will live upto it's promised range like MME. Will update in a month or so

 

[AZBill]

I have both MME (mine; Route 1 RWD; 19 inch wheels; 10 month old) and MYLR (wife's; AWD; 19 inch wheel; 2 week old).

Have driven MME for 13k miles in CA weather and mostly flat driving. Usually get around 3.7 miles/kWh . That's 336 miles range on 91 kWh battery, higher than 314 miles range that we were promised.

So far MYLR in local drive of 118 miles gave 3.2 miles/kWh. Mind you, this is in summer of Bay Area. All the talk about MYLR being more efficient is pure BS!

I have the CA Route 1 RWD and easily get 300 miles of range at 70-75mph freeway driving. I am in AZ and never drive in cold weather. In 30k miles the average efficiency is showing 3.7 mile/kwh.

 

[awp0]

Surprised this thread made it so far without a link to the Consumer Reports range test that compares a MME Premium AWD ER head-to-head with a Model Y LR in three different temperature ranges. Spoiler alert: total range is almost identical between the two cars at all three temps. Model Y is more efficient so it gets better cost-per-mile, but it significantly under-delivers against it's stated EPA range. MME's best real-world range is almost identical to it's EPA range.
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/cr-report-on-ev-range-tests.20961/post-494312

 

[voxel]

Sure. It is small sample and it seems with more driving average efficiency number are getting better. But I doubt MY will be more efficient than MME. Or that it will live upto it's promised range like MME. Will update in a month or so

They have the exact same real world range. The Model Y does it with a 18 kWh smaller battery (in reality 14-16 kWh usable difference).

Aerodynamic shape matters the most. Neither the Y nor the MME are as efficient as my former BMW i4 (sedan) which only had a 83 kWh gross battery and could easily travel 300+ miles at 70-75mph.

 

[PappuMal]

Surprised this thread made it so far without a link to the Consumer Reports range test that compares a MME Premium AWD ER head-to-head with a Model Y LR in three different temperature ranges. Spoiler alert: total range is almost identical between the two cars at all three temps. Model Y is more efficient so it gets better cost-per-mile, but it significantly under-delivers against it's stated EPA range. MME's best real-world range is almost identical to it's EPA range.
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/cr-report-on-ev-range-tests.20961/post-494312

Ok, we will see about the efficiency after a month of me driving MYLR.
For 330 miles promised range, shouldn't I be getting > 4 miles/kWh?

As a consumer, I care more about honesty.

So I paid Tesla for 330 miles range but get 275 miles?
But Ford over delivered on their promise so I get more value for the money I paid?

Had Tesla been more honest about real world EPA range, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[awp0]

Ok, we will see about the efficiency after a month of me driving MYLR.
For 330 miles promised range, shouldn't I be getting > 4 miles/kWh?

As a consumer, I care more about honesty.

So I paid Tesla for 330 miles range but get 275 miles?
But Ford over delivered on their promise so I get more value for the money I paid?

Had Tesla been more honest about real world EPA range, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

All I’m saying is that the Model Y even at only 275 miles of range is more efficient compared to the MME at 275 miles of range.

There’s been a lot written about Tesla’s EPA range. As I understand it, they chose a different set of EPA tests, which are apparently still valid but result in a very optimistic number. Seems crazy but whatever.

 

[MacherAWD]

All I’m saying is that the Model Y even at only 275 miles of range is more efficient compared to the MME at 275 miles of range.

There’s been a lot written about Tesla’s EPA range. As I understand it, they chose a different set of EPA tests, which are apparently still valid but result in a very optimistic number. Seems crazy but whatever.

I am more efficient moving through the air than a Tesla, many things are more efficient. I agree with the other poster, Tesla owners are tricked into thinking they have more range.

 

[awp0]

I am more efficient moving through the air than a Tesla, many things are more efficient. I agree with the other poster, Tesla owners are tricked into thinking they have more range.

Yeah, fair enough. Just like MME owners are tricked into thinking Bluecruise is a feature they own which doesn’t cost $800 year. All of these companies get away with whatever they can, and it’s on us as consumers to do the research. It’s not exactly a secret that Tesla’s stated range is exaggerated. Are people really forking over $50k and entering the EV world without any research?

 

[MacherAWD]

Yeah, fair enough. Just like MME owners are tricked into thinking Bluecruise is a feature they own which doesn’t cost $800 year. All of these companies get away with whatever they can, and it’s on us as consumers to do the research. It’s not exactly a secret that Tesla’s stated range is exaggerated. Are people really forking over $50k and entering the EV world without any research?

Yes many people don't do enough research and companies are trying to screw people over to make more money.

 

[PappuMal]

All I’m saying is that the Model Y even at only 275 miles of range is more efficient compared to the MME at 275 miles of range.

There’s been a lot written about Tesla’s EPA range. As I understand it, they chose a different set of EPA tests, which are apparently still valid but result in a very optimistic number. Seems crazy but whatever.

You maybe right about MYLR being more efficient than an equivalent MME
I give you that my comparison wasn't apples-to-apples, but so are not EPA tests!

I would have been totally fine were we told that MYLR's range is 275 miles. Yes, I did get an AWD but I don't really need that given > 95% of my driving is on nicely paved roads.

Range is the biggest factor I care about. So far, I am extremely happy with MME!

 

[PappuMal]

Yeah, fair enough. Just like MME owners are tricked into thinking Bluecruise is a feature they own which doesn’t cost $800 year. All of these companies get away with whatever they can, and it’s on us as consumers to do the research. It’s not exactly a secret that Tesla’s stated range is exaggerated. Are people really forking over $50k and entering the EV world without any research?

I did fork over $50k on MME and got more than promised. MY now with so much discount and so many in my neighborhood buying it left and right, did blind me a little! Not complaining too much (just a little!) that Tesla wasnt totally honest.

 

[voxel]

You maybe right about MYLR being more efficient than an equivalent MME
I give you that my comparison wasn't apples-to-apples, but so are not EPA tests!

I would have been totally fine were we told that MYLR's range is 275 miles. Yes, I did get an AWD but I don't really need that given > 95% of my driving is on nicely paved roads.

Range is the biggest factor I care about. So far, I am extremely happy with MME!

275 is highway miles. It's 300+ city miles.

If you love range, stay away from the GT PE trim. I had one... worst efficiency (2.5 mi/kWh) of all of the EVs I've owned and also tracked it twice and it was 6200lbs of sled.

I ask... why a crossover EV if you want range? EV sedans smoke crossovers in efficiency + range.

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