Come on Ford!

[SnBGC]

coming from you Greg, someone that has not been the biggest Mach-E cheerleader, the praise means something...

it's funny to hear "Ford can't make or manage software" forgetting that historically, there's been a mix there - when Sync came out (in other words, Sync 1), it was way, way ahead of anything anyone else had - it wasn't even close. MyFord Touch was kind of awful performance-wise at release although it got better later, and then at Sync 3, it was back to quite good again. It was no longer industry leading - it's fair to argue that UConnect was probably the best at that point (although I don't 100% agree), and several other systems (Mazda's, Kia Uvo) were quite good - but it was still solid, and a lot of folks still like the layout, to where I was reading a Maverick review this weekend praising the infotainment for its looks and ease of use (the Maverick bizarrely ships with Sync 3).

And as I've said on here before, I rented a Model S and its infotainment was truly awful. And when it crashed, it took the whole dash with it. this happened twice, the first time sitting at the rental car booth while checking out. is it better now? probably. it would be impossible for it to be worse. The hardware in that car was I'm sure the previous generation, the one that Tesla abandoned. (although to give them credit, you can upgrade it for $2,000, so that's something)

Agree. I test drove Tesla vehicles and I much more prefer Sync4A. I did like Tesla's bird's eye representation of the car and it's surroundings but not enough to overcome all the great features of SYNC4A.

As a fleet customer with some buying power, I sometimes get to have my voice heard by the various manufacturers. When it comes to Ford, they want it straight between the eyes. If we like something then they listen. If we don't like something then they listen and take notes. When it comes to the MME, there is plenty to like and some things to break out the notepad. Even so, the MME is hard to beat at the moment.

I expect the 2022 models to be quite solid.....a buttoned up version of the 2021 models if you will. Then if Ford follows their method of operations they will begin to "value engineer" as much as they can based on data gathered from the models in the field. That is where the profit comes.

One thing I would like to see is a heads up display like the iPace. Show us what the car sees in the HUD and identify the road markings and traffic. That would be quite a neat feature to use in combination with Blue Cruise.

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[physib]

For the record, people might be talking about different things when they compare the two. I do think Sync4A is better when it comes to form and function combined, but that system runs like a tablet from 2009 filled with 30 porn games.

To its credit though, it is consistently sluggish, which means no random slow downs/freezes. That's something.

 

[dkmatter]

Boomers are convinced if they have a fast, responsive menu in their infotainment system then it will somehow ruin their car experience.

I'd be willing to bet that 2 years from now, the infotainment is exactly the same. No additions, no bug fixes, no performance improvement. It's mind boggling to me that their main competitor is tesla and they used this infotainment and though "man that is smooth!". I strictly use carplay because the normal menus are unbearable to me.

Your comment about boomers is a common misconception among attention seekers.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays? ??

Where's my ticket book...

 

[generaltso]

I'd be willing to bet that 2 years from now, the infotainment is exactly the same. No additions, no bug fixes, no performance improvement.

I'll take that bet. How much and how will we collect?

I think the only thing that doesnt work for me is the favorite song/artist feature in SiriusXM.

That has reportedly been fixed in 1.7.1.

 

[AlbanyIan]

…Meanwhile, Tesla has an incredibly smooth and responsive system that they have made clear will never just become bad. Ford could easily do this, but they think "that's not what people want (plus that means we have to actually support a car we already made and not convince them to buy the 2022 model).

What are you basing this on? I think Android OS sucks but some people love it. ?.

I’ll leave it up to the members here to decide whether Tesla is iOS or Android

 

[Burnsy8787]

SYNC4A is by far the most advanced infotainment system I have ever seen. I think the only thing that doesnt work for me is the favorite song/artist feature in SiriusXM. Otherwise it has been pretty darn good and exceeded all my expectations. Nothing much to fix IMO.

Maybe I am the lucky one where my car works the same now as when I first bought it? That is my only expectation really. If things start malfunctioning then I will want it fixed. In my past experience the solution to that issue was a new APIM. No OTA is going to be capable of changing that component unfortunately.

The actual interface I am fine with. The lag in it, not so much. Nothing to fix? There is a full 1 second delay in just about every action you make on it.

Going from using carplay to the actual car's OS is like night and day. Carplay has instant response to every action (because it's using the phones processing power)

 

[Burnsy8787]

Your comment about boomers is a common misconception among attention seekers.

I mean come on man. I have a boomer dad and he thought my 2014 chevy volt had a great infotainment system. It looked like the interface on my 32mb Intel MP3 player that I got in 2002.

The expectation is much lower for anyone before gen z/y. In this day and age, where the majority of 5 year olds can navigate an ipad/smart phone, there is no excuse for so many higher end cars to have infotainments with so little processing power (or poor optimization) that they have a 1-3 second delay on any action you make.

 

[Burnsy8787]

What are you basing this on? I think Android OS sucks but some people love it. ?.

I’ll leave it up to the members here to decide whether Tesla is iOS or Android

What am I basing what on? I've used a tesla interface and when I press a button, it immediately responds. There isn't a delay like I'm using a plastic touchscreen from 2009.

I love my Mach e. This is really the only complaint I have about the car. It's just shocking to me that anyone could use the touch screen and claim that it is perfect. If you have used an iPad in the last 10 years then you should be repulsed by the responsiveness of this.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

The expectation is much lower for anyone before gen z/y. In this day and age, where the majority of 5 year olds can navigate an ipad/smart phone, there is no excuse for so many higher end cars to have infotainments with so little processing power (or poor optimization) that they have a 1-3 second delay on any action you make.

Baloney. Though that's not what I actually thought.

 

[shutterbug]

For the record, people might be talking about different things when they compare the two. I do think Sync4A is better when it comes to form and function combined, but that system runs like a tablet from 2009 filled with 30 porn games.

To its credit though, it is consistently sluggish, which means no random slow downs/freezes. That's something.

You seem to have odd familiarity with porn tablets from 2009 . All I can say the screen hardware in MME is top notch. The sluggishness (and it does exist) seems to be caused by software. My point of reference is Sync2 on 2014 C-Max. Now that was truly archaic. It reminded me of the Atari 400 keyboards from 35 years earlier. Entering an address into its navigation system was like sucking roadkill through a straw.

 

[physib]

The sluggishness (and it does exist) seems to be caused by software

Well I sure hope it's software and not them cheaping out on hardware. But how bloated must the software be to run at ~20 fps (just me eyeballing)? I'm not exactly hoping they'll improve the responsiveness down the road.

 

[Burnsy8787]

Well I sure hope it's software and not them cheaping out on hardware. But how bloated must the software be to run at ~20 fps (just me eyeballing)? I'm not exactly hoping they'll improve the responsiveness down the road.

I think there is a good chance that it is a hardware issue. Isn't that partially what is driving the chip shortage? Car manufacturers (not just ford) are refusing to use modern chips and instead using outdated ones that chip manufacturers don't want to make anymore.

Either way, it's one of two things:

1. They cheaped out on hardware because they did the status quo and released an infotainment that is about 3 years outdated.

2. They poorly optimized the infotainment system and likely won't fix that optimization (I think they are more focused on fixing bugs rather than the overall performance)

 

[Burnsy8787]

You seem to have odd familiarity with porn tablets from 2009 . All I can say the screen hardware in MME is top notch. The sluggishness (and it does exist) seems to be caused by software. My point of reference is Sync2 on 2014 C-Max. Now that was truly archaic. It reminded me of the Atari 400 keyboards from 35 years earlier. Entering an address into its navigation system was like sucking roadkill through a straw.

The actual screen itself is a very small % of the hardware. The processing power and memory is likely way too low for what they tried to do with the interface. That is why it performs like a 10 year old iPad with the newest iOS installed. It can't handle the amount of tasks it's being asked to perform all at once in the background.

 

[trutolife27]

I'll take that bet. How much and how will we collect?



That has reportedly been fixed in 1.7.1.

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