Ford Really Wants Your Driving Data

[Gungrave223]

Ford “does not transmit any connected vehicle data to either partner,” said a spokesman, Alan Hall, but partnered with them “to explore ways to support customers” who want to take part in usage-based insurance programs. Ford will share driving behavior from a car directly with an insurance company, he said, when a customer gives explicit consent via an in-vehicle touch screen.

"I'm Batman"...

For the record I'm not Batman....but see how easy it is make a general statement that have absolutely no basis in reality?

I'm not a lawyer either but it is my understanding that writing disclosure takes higher legal precedent compared to spoken disclosure made by a spokesperson... And the written disclosure makes it very clear they do in fact sell personal data including geo location data ...

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[MrLoganRoss]

I don't know the bases of this statement... But let me correct that extremely false statement... Ford ? sells user driving data to LexisNexis...

Second, a user driving data have 0 to do with charging so intertwining the data collection with app features, despite what you think, is not logical at all.

Unfortunately, a few people on this forum don’t want it to be true, and so they over simplify what Ford has said to convince themselves that ford has provided thorough complete answers. Ford has not. There are huge loop holes, and despite making fun of Ford, it is more than possible that the bundling of driving data and key unrelated features was quite intentional.

I have turned off of Share Driving Data, and have survived ?

 

[Gungrave223]

Based on the LexisNexus report I received last week, Ford hasn't been supplying them with my data for the past 3 years of Mach-E ownership, and I have never restricted any data sent to Ford.

Well that is a genuinely good piece of info ?

 

[RickMachE]

Well that is a genuinely good piece of info ?

So now you are agreeing they don't send it to them?

 

[Thunderbuck]

Lol ... I wouldn't use since it's "technically" free....I just don't see the point in tying app features to their data mining like this....

I'd rather just manually change setting in the car.... insuring an ev is expensive enough ... Don't need my driving habits making it's way back to the insurance companies ?

Note that there's a specific setting for insurance data that you can turn off independently of the other data sharing.

 

[Gungrave223]

Note that there's a specific setting for insurance data that you can turn off independently of the other data sharing.

I think that toggle is specifically if you have Ford Insure.

 

[DustyShades]

Based on the LexisNexus report I received last week, Ford hasn't been supplying them with my data for the past 3 years of Mach-E ownership, and I have never restricted any data sent to Ford.

This is the only data point on the topic in the whole thread that actually addresses if Ford sells data directly to brokers / indirectly to insurance companies.

I don’t think one data point for an individual user conclusively lets us know that they don’t, but I will say that there’s one piece of evidence that they don’t and then just a bunch of additional non-conclusive conjecture both ways. Right now my view is that Ford most likely does not sell user data. I think anyone arguing differently needs to bring some facts.

 

[methorian]

This is the only data point on the topic in the whole thread that actually addresses if Ford sells data directly to brokers / indirectly to insurance companies.

I don’t think one data point for an individual user conclusively lets us know that they don’t, but I will say that there’s one piece of evidence that they don’t and then just a bunch of additional non-conclusive conjecture both ways. Right now my view is that Ford most likely does not sell user data. I think anyone arguing differently needs to bring some facts.

See another post here as well with a Mach-E driver reporting no data on their LexusNexus report:

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...personal-info-with-insurers.34311/post-766682

 

[Gungrave223]

So now you are agreeing they don't send it to them?

Oh.. I'm not agreeing to that at all... but I can give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they're not currently selling or sharing user identifiable information... And if that is truly is the case then great they're better than GM.?

But we should never conflate current practices with future practices.

 

[Thunderbuck]

I think that toggle is specifically if you have Ford Insure.

I don't think so. I'm in Canada and I've never even heard of Ford Insure.

 

[MrLoganRoss]

This is the only data point on the topic in the whole thread that actually addresses if Ford sells data directly to brokers / indirectly to insurance companies.

I don’t think one data point for an individual user conclusively lets us know that they don’t, but I will say that there’s one piece of evidence that they don’t and then just a bunch of additional non-conclusive conjecture both ways. Right now my view is that Ford most likely does not sell user data. I think anyone arguing differently needs to bring some facts.

That is exactly correct. As you pointed out, every word counts. “Directly” means something. “Sell” (rather than make available or provide) means something. Finally, remaining silent, as Ford is on a number of possibilities, means something.

I can’t say for sure what Ford is doing or might do in the future, but what I can say is that based on their terms, there is a whole lot they CAN do.

PS, running a report on one company (Lexis) and turning up nothing, tells us only one thing: “At that moment, that specific company MAY not have your data”. But let’s not forget the rest of the world!

 

[MrLoganRoss]

Here is another thought for everyone. Does ford retain your data? For how long? Where? What is their policy about turning it over to government agencies upon request? How far will they go to protect your privacy?

The only way to protect your privacy is to control your data. Each individual gets to decide how much they care about the privacy and therefore what to share. I have no issue with people being OK with sharing data with Ford. I just hope they understand the implications.

 

[Dysan911]

FORD:. "We aren't sending "user-identifiable information". Does that prevent Ford from sending anonymous driving data and then one day my insurance premium goes up because they said that Statistically Mach-e Drivers brake harder than the average or some other made-up metric?

 

[ChehRob]

Europe has fairly strict privacy laws. US companies have successfully lobbied to make your data their data, and available for selling to third parties. The US is, slowly, coming around on this.

I think the European strategy is that data on persons is happening and necessary in our modern electronic age. So data can be collected. But it can only be used for certain things, and it is a serious crime to release that information improperly and serious sanctions ensue to offenders.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

See another post here as well with a Mach-E driver reporting no data on their LexusNexus report:

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...personal-info-with-insurers.34311/post-766682

Thanks - you saved me the time of looking up my post! ?

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