Higher used Mach-E prices are the "New Normal"

[mkhuffman]

Free markets are usually driven by greed and greed usually leads to corruption.

I actually agree with this, but if we have competition, we have choices. Government regulations reduce competition, which reduce our choices. So the greedy politicians who are bribed by the greedy companies, work together to make laws and regulations that eliminate competition. So then the free market can't work. Because the corrupt politicians, whom you have so much faith in, have destroyed it. If only you had faith in individuals rather than the corrupt liars you vote for.

The only real difference between you and me is that I don't like to deal with A-Holes, i.e. Dealerships that charge 10K ADM but you seem fine with certain A-Holes. (unless they are charging a mere 1K over what they should)

Eureka! You have it Watson! That is how the free market works! You avoid the a-holes, and only do business with the people who are willing to treat you right. Right? Right. (Too many uses of word "right".)

Anyway, that is how it works. In a free market, you choose who you do business with. In a heavily regulated market, the government mandates the parameters and even who you can do business with. That means you have less power. You may think a government regulation gives you more power, but it is actually the opposite.

A government regulation is law, and you can go to jail if you fail to follow it. ADM is merely an annoyance, and you can avoid it by choosing another dealer. Why is this such a problem for you? Can't you make your own decisions without an idiotic politician telling you the right way to do it?

I have faith in your ability to take care of yourself without their "help". Now it is time for you to get that faith in yourself, because you can do it. You can manage to buy a car without help from the government. You can do it. PM me if you need more counseling on this.

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[mkhuffman]

Thread is about used prices... So much useless discussion.

But the prices of cars are impacted by ADM. And some people think ADM should be regulated by government. That is the wrong approach, and we should debate it.

This is not political, it is philosophical. No political party is needs to be mentioned. No politician needs to be mentioned. Just reality. And how that impacts the car market. I think it is relevant. If you disagree, you can stop following this thread. It might reduce some stress if this causes it...

 

[ridgebackpilot]

Ford has thousands of dealers. 90% of them aren't charging ADM on the Mach-E. Fact.

Hahaha! That's because 90 percent of Ford dealers nationwide aren't selling the MME at all! You can't charge ADM on something you're not selling.

Because far more EVs are sold in California than in any other state, what happens here matters more than most other states, whether you like it or not.

The head of the US Chamber of Commerce once said, "We look to California for a glimpse of the future." That's certainly been true regarding safety innovations such as seat belts, airbags, unleaded gasoline, and ICE emission limits. Those were all required first here.

So if 90 percent of California dealers are charging ADM on EV sales, the rest of the country had better prepare for it, because soon it will be coming to a dealership near you!

I hope this helps explain why many of us are fighting so hard against the practice of applying ADM to MME sales here. You can thank us later!

 

[mkhuffman]

I hope this helps explain why many of us are fighting so hard against the practice of applying ADM to MME sales here. You can thank us later!

If this means you are trying to get the government to implement price controls on dealers, I will never thank you because you are working to destroy the free market. If this means you are using your freedom to choose a dealer you want to buy from, then that is great. I don't need to thank you for that because you are already doing what is in your best interest. That is how it should be.

 

[ridgebackpilot]

If this means you are trying to get the government to implement price controls on dealers, I will never thank you because you are working to destroy the free market. If this means you are using your freedom to choose a dealer you want to buy from, then that is great. I don't need to thank you for that because you are already doing what is in your best interest. That is how it should be.

You seem obsessed about government price controls, but you're the only one talking about them here!

I haven't seen anyone here, including me, propose that the state or Federal governments need to get involved. They usually reserve anti-price gouging regulations for "essential" commodities, like water and food, but not electric vehicles.

Ford may take action to stop dealers from charging ADM and of course consumers like us can take action to boycott such dealers. I see no reason for government action in this case. Violations of business ethics like applying ADM aren't usually illegal, just unethical. And we can exercise the "Power of the Purse" to address that.

 

[FLmac]

The head of the US Chamber of Commerce once said, "We look to California for a glimpse of the future." That's certainly been true regarding safety innovations such as seat belts, airbags, unleaded gasoline, and ICE emission limits. Those were all required first here.

I hope this helps explain why many of us are fighting so hard against the practice of applying ADM to MME sales here. You can thank us later!

I’m not a huge fan of a lot of the things that California requires, regulates or controls. This is probably why I choose to live where I live and you choose to live in California. To each their own. There’s also plenty of MMEs being sold outside of California. ADM isn‘t exclusive to Ford or California.

 

[mkhuffman]

Ford may take action to stop dealers from charging ADM and of course consumers like us can take action to boycott such dealers. I see no reason for government action in this case. Violations of business ethics like applying ADM aren't usually illegal, just unethical. And we can exercise the "Power of the Purse" to address that.

100% agree with this!

Personally I don't think ADM is unethical, but I definitely would search for a dealer who is not charging it. In fact, both dealers I delt with were willing to give me X-Plan pricing, so less than MSRP. Now that was on an ordered car, not a car on the lot, so that is a different deal. I was willing to wait to save some money. If in a hurry, I might be willing to pay ADM. But I was not in a hurry.

Because of ADM we have options. We can wait for a better price, or pay more for instant gratification. Well about as instant as it takes to buy a car, which in my experience is painfully slow.

 

[DennisD]

You seem obsessed about government price controls, but you're the only one talking about them here!

I haven't seen anyone here, including me, propose that the state or Federal governments need to get involved. They usually reserve anti-price gouging regulations for "essential" commodities, like water and food, but not electric vehicles.

Ford may take action to stop dealers from charging ADM and of course consumers like us can take action to boycott such dealers. I see no reason for government action in this case. Violations of business ethics like applying ADM aren't usually illegal, just unethical. And we can exercise the "Power of the Purse" to address that.

I totally agree with your assessment.

I have stated multiple times that I don't think they (the dealerships) are doing anything illegal. I was merely trying to suggest that their practice of price gouging will ultimately end up hurting both the Ford product and image along with the sales of EV's in general. Ford doesn't like it and has said as much. You would think when the company that makes and manufactures the car doesn't agree with the high price, that the consumer would also agree with such. ?

I can (kind of) see why many on this forum want an EV bad enough to pay 10K ADM but for the life of me, I don't know why in the he** they would WANT to keep the high ADM's in place?

Because of these high ADM on the new cars, that IMO is why you are seeing many of the used car prices (see how I circled back) to get MSRP.

Now let me state unequivocally that in this particular discussion, I DON'T want this to be regulated by the Govt. but rather Ford. I think Ford needs to get a handle on this and not let the Dealership (owners BTW) take all of the cream and leave very little on the bone to both the consumer, Ford and all of their employee's.

If Ford set the price at no higher than MSRP, the used MME's would go down and the EXACT same amount of MME's would still be available. Concert tickets come to mind with this analogy. Imagine if you will, if someone were to suggest that they hope the scalpers don't leave.

Too funny..............

 

[ridgebackpilot]

I’m not a huge fan of a lot of the things that California requires, regulates or controls. This is probably why I choose to live where I live and you choose to live in California. To each their own. There’s also plenty of MMEs being sold outside of California. ADM isn‘t exclusive to Ford or California.

 

[ShelJW]

I’m not a huge fan of a lot of the things that California requires, regulates or controls. This is probably why I choose to live where I live and you choose to live in California. To each their own. There’s also plenty of MMEs being sold outside of California. ADM isn‘t exclusive to Ford or California.

Yeah, you live in Floridah....

Got it. Nice state to visit, but...

 

[FLmac]

Yeah, you live in Floridah....

Got it. Nice state to visit, but...

It’s also a great state to live in if you like good weather, no state income tax, lower cost of living, the second amendment, a state that’s been open for the last 2 years, or constant electricity.

That’s the great thing about different states… if you don’t like any of those things you can opt to live in California.

 

[kennethjk]

It’s also a great state to live in if you like good weather, no state income tax, lower cost of living, the second amendment, a state that’s been open for the last 2 years, or constant electricity.

That’s the great thing about different states… if you don’t like any of those things you can opt to live in California.

You can add that if you want a great pre college education you have to go to private school in florida , just saying

 

[FLmac]

You can add that if you want a great pre college education you have to go to private school in florida , just saying

True, but I’m 40 I don’t need pre college education. ? If I had kids they would probably be in private school or at this rate a home school program no matter where I lived.

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