It can coast, too!

[ctenidae]

??? I drove sticks for 33 years before buying a 2007 Lexus … which I traded in for my MME in 2021. Coasting is why I drive 2pd. I got fantastic mileage with the various cars because I spent a lot of time in neutral coasting. I like taking my foot off the go pedal continuing to roll merrily along, even though it doesn’t do much for regen.

I guess that's the difference- when I take my foot off the gas it's to slow down. Otherwise there's no reason to take my foot off the gas. With a stick I can vary the amount of deceleration by choosing a gear. In an EV I can do it by modulatiing how much I lift off.

Can't do a 6-3 downshift and stomp it in an EV, but that's because you can just stomp it.

I still don't understand the coasting thing- I never just rolled along with the clutch in, either. Never saw the point.

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[CarsIMBwife]

I guess that's the difference- when I take my foot off the gas it's to slow down. Otherwise there's no reason to take my foot off the gas. With a stick I can vary the amount of deceleration by choosing a gear. In an EV I can do it by modulatiing how much I lift off.

Can't do a 6-3 downshift and stomp it in an EV, but that's because you can just stomp it.

I still don't understand the coasting thing- I never just rolled along with the clutch in, either. Never saw the point.

I drove a stick for gas efficiency and better control in wintry NJ weather. Coasting was great for getting good mileage, I routinely beat EPA estimates in all my cars. One thing to note is that I got my license during the gas crisis of 1974, that had a big impact on my driving style. Now I’m in whisper mode driving like the old lady I am ?.

 

[stealthytolkien]

I think 1PD and driving a stick are very similar. If you can drive a stick you probably prefer 1PD. If you can't drive a stick, you probably prefer 2PD.

Some people prefer 2PD, therefore some people can't drive stick. If even one person can't drive stick, too many people can't drive stick.

Coherent enough?

Oh it is quite coherent now to everyone how incredibly flawed that statement is.

 

[ctenidae]

2PD driving also uses regen, so it doesn't matter if you prefer 1PD or 2PD.

Yeah, but not as much, and it doesn't like to stop on its own, so I prefer 1PD. The actual amount of charge I get back is way way down the list of important things.

 

[HuntingPudel]

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I still don't understand the coasting thing- I never just rolled along with the clutch in, either. Never saw the point.

Even back in the ‘80s we’d drop into neutral or clutch it and shut off the engine to coast and fire it back up again when we started to drop too far behind during a full-course caution In order to maybe save a little pit time or avert a stop completely. ??

 

[ctenidae]

Oh it is quite coherent now to everyone how incredibly flawed that statement is.

If you knew what "coherent" meant I'd listen to you. Based on your usage here I'd say that word does not mean what you think it means.

 

[ctenidae]

Even back in the ‘80s we’d drop into neutral or clutch it and shut off the engine to coast and fire it back up again when we started to drop too far behind during a full-course caution In order to maybe save a little pit time or avert a stop completely. ??

100% valid (and awesome) reason to coast!

 

[superdave80]

Yeah, but not as much, and it doesn't like to stop on its own, so I prefer 1PD. The actual amount of charge I get back is way way down the list of important things.

Once more: 1PD and 2PD use the EXACT same regen system. How much regen you get is completely dependent on user input.

 

[stealthytolkien]

If you knew what "coherent" meant I'd listen to you. Based on your usage here I'd say that word does not mean what you think it means.

Sure, let’s now resort to criticizing someone’s English vocabulary. Go get your Pulitzer to show all of us, why don’t you? I’ll wait.

By the way, your original statement was both incoherent and illogical. You fixed the first part. We are getting there!

Cheers, let’s stop here.

 

[ctenidae]

Once more: 1PD and 2PD use the EXACT same regen system. How much regen you get is completely dependent on user input.

Once again, I am aware of that. There is a difference in the driving feel between 1PD and 2PD, and I prefer 1PD feel because I think it feels more like driving a stick, which I find preferable to the feel of driving an automatic.

I like how I control user input in 1PD better than in 2PD. Is that OK with you?

 

[superdave80]

Once again, I am aware of that.

Then why did you incorrectly state that 2PD doesn't use 'as much' regen as 1PD? You clearly were not aware before I told you.

I like how I control user input in 1PD better than in 2PD. Is that OK with you?

Yes, that's OK with me. Why would you think it wouldn't be OK with me?

 

[ctenidae]

Then why did you incorrectly state that 2PD doesn't use 'as much' regen as 1PD? You clearly were not aware before I told you.

Yes, that's OK with me. Why would you think it wouldn't be OK with me?

When in 1PD, a full lift off decelerates faster than in 2PD. Maybe it's just perception, but 1PD regen seems to brake harder than 2PD. Perhaps I wasn't clear.

As to being OK, your comments sound to me like you have an issue with my preference for 1PD, so just wanted to check.

 

[mkhuffman]

When in 1PD, a full lift off decelerates faster than in 2PD. Maybe it's just perception, but 1PD regen seems to brake harder than 2PD. Perhaps I wasn't clear.

You are correct. But when you put your foot on the brake pedal, it will use regen before applying friction brakes. By pressing the brake pedal, you can get just as much regen in 2PD as in 1PD.

 

[ctenidae]

You are correct. But when you put your foot on the brake pedal, it will use regen before applying friction brakes. By pressing the brake pedal, you can get just as much regen in 2PD as in 1PD.

100% uncontested. I'm in total agreement.

Entirely irrelevant to my point, but that's a different point. A horse of another color, so to speak.

 

[goodguy]

on COASTING... It makes even more sense with an EV than an ICE. When you coast with an ICE, the engine is still on. Less load but still on.

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