OTA really in last place?

[Newbie]

Is this a hit piece or will it be far behind? OTA ranking

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[timbop]

Is this a hit piece or will it be far behind? OTA ranking

It's a hit piece. Ford didn't have it until now and they have no data on it, so any grade is ludicrous.

 

[trutolife27]

It's a hit piece. Ford didn't have it until now and they have no data on it, so any grade is ludicrous.

The fact just getting started. Like saying one has 5 Ev cars and another has 1. Yes, you started first you going to have more. Sillyness written article.



Well, Jeff is 18 and been reading for 18 years. been is 5 and been readying for 3 years. who can read better? I mean really?

 

[Accord07]

Is this a hit piece or will it be far behind? OTA ranking

That depends on whether you think an old school stock broker/analyst and a recent college graduate whose past qualification is running a lawn business are qualified to make that "ranking".

"The above report card doesn’t show the full extent of legacy auto’s OTA shortcomings. Today, most automaker’s OTA updates improve a vehicle’s infotainment system (maps, Apple CarPlay, Bluetooth compatibility), which, in our view, does not add material value to a vehicle. On the other hand, Tesla’s OTA updates improve infotainment systems, along with range, autonomy features, braking/acceleration functions, and safety systems."

Counterpoint: automobiles had existed long before Tesla came along, the powertrain in ICE vehicles are well understood, and personally I prefer the software updates to leave it alone. My Honda minivan has received a few OTA updates over the last three years, most were installed while I was driving precisely because it had no impact on the powertrain.

 

[zhackwyatt]

That depends on whether you think an old school stock broker/analyst and a recent college graduate whose past qualification is running a lawn business are qualified to make that "ranking".

"The above report card doesn’t show the full extent of legacy auto’s OTA shortcomings. Today, most automaker’s OTA updates improve a vehicle’s infotainment system (maps, Apple CarPlay, Bluetooth compatibility), which, in our view, does not add material value to a vehicle. On the other hand, Tesla’s OTA updates improve infotainment systems, along with range, autonomy features, braking/acceleration functions, and safety systems."

Counterpoint: automobiles had existed long before Tesla came along, the powertrain in ICE vehicles are well understood, and personally I prefer the software updates to leave it alone. My Honda minivan has received a few OTA updates over the last three years, most were installed while I was driving precisely because it had no impact on the powertrain.

It's not just the powertrain changes and infotainment. A lot of recalls are SW upates to different car modules. Definately looking forward to vising the dealer less for recalls.

 

[The Electric Duo]

Counterpoint - Ford has been building cars for over a hundred years. They have had dozens of models over that time. In there 10K filing they talk a lot about building cars.

Tesla has only recently begun to build cars. They mention building cars far less than Ford in their 10K. They have only recently started building cars that don't have bad panel gaps, bad paint, and suspension failures. (UPDATE: They still have bad panel gaps, paint, suspension.)

Building cars grades:
Ford - A
Tesla - F

 

[Popeye]

This article seems to put to rest any questions about OTA’s and the ability of Ford to make “real” changes to the vehicles via OTA’s by being able to change most(if not all) components via software updates.

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/12/15/ford-over-the-air-ota-updates-fewer-redesigns/

 

[ChasingCoral]

Is this a hit piece or will it be far behind? OTA ranking

It's like grading a kid to be a D when they walk through the door of first grade and telling them they have to work to bring up their grade. Give me a break!

 

[Woeo]

I liked the bit about expecting 40-50% growth in sales to continue for the next few years and 35% FSD take rate.

 

[Jimrpa]

It's a hit piece BUT I have a 2018 Escape Titanium with Sync 3 which features "OTA updates" and I have to be honest, the OTA update feature of Sync 3 ... leaves something to be desired. For example, you still have to manually load map updates via USB (even if the car can connect to your home wifi). They could have been referring to the existing Sync 3 system capabilities, which are not as good as the upcoming Sync 4A capabilities.

 

[efisher]

Not to be believed.

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