Tesla Model Y vs Mustang Mach-E (my thoughts)

[DennisD]

That study has nothing to do with jaywalking which is by definition not at highly visible intersections. And by the way in that study they had highly visible cops ready to dish out tickets. Are we going to have cops on every intersections now to enforce pedestrian right of way?

Would I jaywalk in a busy street? The short answer is no.

Would I drive a motorcycle in the Mountains during heavy rain or snow? No

There are many things in life that are dangerous but yet are legal. Those people that choose to Jaywalk are doing it at their own risk. If the driver of said vehicle can not get stopped in a reasonable fashion, the pedestrian would most likely die or at least get seriously injured. The pedestrian would be in the wrong even though the right of way law exists. It only applies if the actions are reasonable and safe. That is what is being lost with you. You are assuming that it would be a free for all but it really is not. It is no different than a posted speed limit of 55. When the conditions are of ice, the law states that you could be ticketed if you go 55 during ice conditions. It is not reasonable nor safe. In other words, it would be against the law to drive 55 (in those conditions) when the speed limit is posted as 55 mph.

Having a law that gives the right a way to the pedestrian is safer than the alternative no matter what Fox states. I would suggest to people not to jaywalk. It is dangerous in all conditions of whether a law exists or not. I also suggest to people not to drive in a Blizzard. Both can be dangerous but they are legal.

If you drive reasonably, you will be fine no matter what Fox News or some other conspiracy news outlet would suggest.

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[curtisfinney]

Doesn't matter what side of the debate you're on, but throwing things at other peoples car will get you kill or at least a serious beating in California.

Whatever dude. You need to get over dealing with pedestrians.

if you don’t see me legally crossing the street, I’m throwing whatever I have in my hand at your car windshield to get your attention. I’ll take my chances if you are someone with a small ego that will choose to beat me up because your embarrassed for making a mistake that could injure or kill me.

 

[RandyMache]

I'm not trying to attack your opinion. I was attempting to educate by explaining how to do things.

The blinker has two settings, it's part way up or all the way up. You likely did a part way up at times while a full push others. Again these are all things that you just get used to when driving a Tesla. Rivian is the same way and my dad has also said that he disliks the blinker behavior when he drives my truck.

There's a lot of people who dislike the lack of buttons on the MME as well. It's a personal preference thing. Once you learn the voice commands with Tesla, it's really far easier and safer than looking even at a physical button because you just tell it what you want it to do while maintaining your vision forward.

As for the steering column. The reason they don't have the old school lever is because it's motorized so it can moved out of your way for easier entry and exit.

As for the stalks for headlights and wipers. I think the idea is that most people just leave them on auto all the time. But again they are easy to control via voice.

Change is something a lot of people have issue with. I for one, love it, it's well within your right to not like the changes they made. Other companies are adopting these changes too so don't be surprised if they show up in a future vehicle. For example Tesla removed the turn stalk completely on their newest vehicles and VW has said they are likely going to do the same. Rivian has copied a large portion of what Tesla does as well.

Guess this is why I like Fords. They don't change for the sake of change....

 

[voxel]

Guess this is why I like Fords. They don't change for the sake of change....

Ford learns the hard way too. The old school design of having 50+ modules compared to a handful like Rivian, Lucid, and Tesla do - is why OTAs and module updates are problematic and buggy. GM/Chevy/Cadillac are also struggling mightily with the Lyriq + Blazer + Hummer which are glitchy messes. GM Iis moving to Ultifi - which is like Tesla/Rivian/Lucid - in the next models.

I also dislike the blinker behavior of the Rivian + Tesla - but both cars have some nice innovations.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Whatever dude. You need to get over dealing with pedestrians.

if you don’t see me legally crossing the street, I’m throwing whatever I have in my hand at your car windshield to get your attention. I’ll take my chances if you are someone with a small ego that will choose to beat me up because your embarrassed for making a mistake that could injure or kill me.

You don’t know the driver’s state of mind. There’s plenty of people out there that goes to threat level 10 for the smallest slight. You obviously could have avoided the car and not escalate.

But I take it you’re not the type to let things slide. Gotta show who’s the boss. Except one day it’ll result in irreversible harm. Hopefully you’ll get wiser when you get older.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Would I jaywalk in a busy street? The short answer is no.

Would I drive a motorcycle in the Mountains during heavy rain or snow? No

There are many things in life that are dangerous but yet are legal. Those people that choose to Jaywalk are doing it at their own risk. If the driver of said vehicle can not get stopped in a reasonable fashion, the pedestrian would most likely die or at least get seriously injured. The pedestrian would be in the wrong even though the right of way law exists. It only applies if the actions are reasonable and safe. That is what is being lost with you. You are assuming that it would be a free for all but it really is not. It is no different than a posted speed limit of 55. When the conditions are of ice, the law states that you could be ticketed if you go 55 during ice conditions. It is not reasonable nor safe. In other words, it would be against the law to drive 55 (in those conditions) when the speed limit is posted as 55 mph.

Having a law that gives the right a way to the pedestrian is safer than the alternative no matter what Fox states. I would suggest to people not to jaywalk. It is dangerous in all conditions of whether a law exists or not. I also suggest to people not to drive in a Blizzard. Both can be dangerous but they are legal.

If you drive reasonably, you will be fine no matter what Fox News or some other conspiracy news outlet would suggest.

It’s not a conspiracy to say that more people in the middle of the road will lead to more collisions. Basic math.

 

[DennisD]

It’s not a conspiracy to say that more people in the middle of the road will lead to more collisions. Basic math.

It’s not a conspiracy to say that more people that eat will lead to more choking hazards. Basic math. ?

And before you reply that people have to eat ? , my reply back will be people can drink though straws or bottles. ?

Once again, in my previous post I didn't suggest that Jaywalking was not dangerous. Quite the opposite, I was advocating (using driving in a Blizzard example) of why I would not cross the street via Jaywalking.

So in conclusion, even though I am not advocating to Jaywalk I am using let's say "advanced math", by suggesting through research a pedestrian is safer if we incentivize the people driving to be more careful when confronting Jaywalkers. I realize that cuts against the grain of Fox viewers to suggest that something that came out of California would be good or "basic math" is not as relied upon as "advanced math", but it is what it is. ?

 

[RandyMache]

Ford learns the hard way too. The old school design of having 50+ modules compared to a handful like Rivian, Lucid, and Tesla do - is why OTAs and module updates are problematic and buggy. GM/Chevy/Cadillac are also struggling mightily with the Lyriq + Blazer + Hummer which are glitchy messes. GM Iis moving to Ultifi - which is like Tesla/Rivian/Lucid - in the next models.

I also dislike the blinker behavior of the Rivian + Tesla - but both cars have some nice innovations.

I read an article yesterday from Consumer Reports, of the top 10 LEAST reliable cars and pickups. The only EV that made the list was the Rivian R1T. Ford (MME) kept a standard turn signal and has a few extra hard buttons. I for one appreciate that.

 

[voxel]

I read an article yesterday from Consumer Reports, of the top 10 LEAST reliable cars and pickups. The only EV that made the list was the Rivian R1T. Ford (MME) kept a standard turn signal and has a few extra hard buttons. I for one appreciate that.

Yup...R1T is like the first year of the Mach-E... rough. The Mach-E had terrible reliability from CR and was not recommended as I recall. Which is true because I still tell folks to AVOID the 2021 Mach-E (I had one). Early Rivians had serious build/QC issues.

https://insideevs.com/news/623888/ford-mustang-mache-not-recommended-consumer-reports/

 

[Ghost Ryder]

It’s not a conspiracy to say that more people that eat will lead to more choking hazards. Basic math. ?

And before you reply that people have to eat ? , my reply back will be people can drink though straws or bottles. ?

Once again, in my previous post I didn't suggest that Jaywalking was not dangerous. Quite the opposite, I was advocating (using driving in a Blizzard example) of why I would not cross the street via Jaywalking.

So in conclusion, even though I am not advocating to Jaywalk I am using let's say "advanced math", by suggesting through research a pedestrian is safer if we incentivize the people driving to be more careful when confronting Jaywalkers. I realize that cuts against the grain of Fox viewers to suggest that something that came out of California would be good or "basic math" is not as relied upon as "advanced math", but it is what it is. ?

I think it's safe to say, that the vast majority of drivers will stop, swerve, and do anything in their power to not hit a person in the middle of the road whether that person had the right to be there or not. The only thing making jaywalking legal will accomplish is to give people the false sense of security that it's safe to wander into the middle of the street and assume the driver will see them in time and take evasive action. Just witness how many people are staring at their phones while walking, it's downright scary how little respect they give to their surroundings.

And I keep seeing you dig at Fox and its viewers. Seems like you have a disdain for roughly 50% of the population. As if you can't fathom why someone would have a different viewpoint and it may be just as valid as your own. You seem to conclude that if some get their info from one source, there's no possible way that they would also consume info from a competing source and then come up with their own conclusion. Get over it. The vast majority of people are not far right or far left, but smacked in the middle.

 

[DennisD]

I think it's safe to say, that the vast majority of drivers will stop, swerve, and do anything in their power to not hit a person in the middle of the road whether that person had the right to be there or not. The only thing making jaywalking legal will accomplish is to give people the false sense of security that it's safe to wander into the middle of the street and assume the driver will see them in time and take evasive action. Just witness how many people are staring at their phones while walking, it's downright scary how little respect they give to their surroundings.

And I keep seeing you dig at Fox and its viewers. Seems like you have a disdain for roughly 50% of the population. As if you can't fathom why someone would have a different viewpoint and it may be just as valid as your own. You seem to conclude that if some get their info from one source, there's no possible way that they would also consume info from a competing source and then come up with their own conclusion. Get over it. The vast majority of people are not far right or far left, but smacked in the middle.

For starters, no disdain for the viewers or anyone quoting Fox News. What I can safely say is Fox News Broadcasting has been proven in a Court of Law to lie repeatedly. I have never trusted much of their News and now that they have the World Record for paying out on the most costly lie in History, I will not hold my breath on anything they say so I don't quote them. It is just an opinion News Source at best. Ironically, it is them that has disdain for 50% of the population btw.

Secondly, people typically will pay more attention if the law is not in their favor. I used the drunken driving law to establish that people don't want to kill someone but if the law is set in place, many people will be more careful and not drink and drive because of said law. Just like the Jaywalking law, people don't want to hit people as you suggest but they will take more care. I have used a study to validate my point and you used one of the least trusted and biased News Source on the Planet (according to lawsuits that confirm my assertion).

So there you have it, go on and drive like you have done in the past and all things will be fine. ?

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