Performance Upgrade

[MME Farmer]

A few weeks ago someone had posted about performance upgrades for electric vehicles. I tried to find it, but didn't so I thought this little deal was interesting. I believe he was wondering if there were any aftermarket upgrades that could be done to increase performance on EV's like we were used to with ICE vehicles. A little while later I happened to see this article about electric turbochargers being more responsive and efficient than exhaust driven turbos. Sorry I didn't bother to look for the article, but I had saved the part that I found interesting. I suppose whoever wrote this article is much smarter than I am so I need someone to explain to me how a turbo is going to help out an electric motor. Another question, since I am considering running the wheels off my old 21 GTPE, best car ever for me at least, is there a chance that by the time my battery, which seems to be horse and buggy tech now, wears out will there be newer tech replacement batteries available for 10 - 15 year old EV's that will fit a specific model? About every day you can read about some new battery, solid-state, aluminum air, and on and on. Some even on the road now and each making my battery seem like it came over on the Mayflower. It seems to me if any of this tech sees daylight, ICE vehicles are going to struggle. Just curious, be gentle.

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[Mach1E]

A few weeks ago someone had posted about performance upgrades for electric vehicles. I tried to find it, but didn't so I thought this little deal was interesting. I believe he was wondering if there were any aftermarket upgrades that could be done to increase performance on EV's like we were used to with ICE vehicles. A little while later I happened to see this article about electric turbochargers being more responsive and efficient than exhaust driven turbos. Sorry I didn't bother to look for the article, but I had saved the part that I found interesting. I suppose whoever wrote this article is much smarter than I am so I need someone to explain to me how a turbo is going to help out an electric motor. Another question, since I am considering running the wheels off my old 21 GTPE, best car ever for me at least, is there a chance that by the time my battery, which seems to be horse and buggy tech now, wears out will there be newer tech replacement batteries available for 10 - 15 year old EV's that will fit a specific model? About every day you can read about some new battery, solid-state, aluminum air, and on and on. Some even on the road now and each making my battery seem like it came over on the Mayflower. It seems to me if any of this tech sees daylight, ICE vehicles are going to struggle. Just curious, be gentle.

Electric turbochargers are for gas powered cars not electric cars.

And as far as putting a new battery in an old electric car, it’s likely not backwards compatible and would be extremely cost prohibitive.

The rest of your car will likely wear out before the battery dies.

 

[Mark813]

A few weeks ago someone had posted about performance upgrades for electric vehicles. I tried to find it, but didn't so I thought this little deal was interesting. I believe he was wondering if there were any aftermarket upgrades that could be done to increase performance on EV's like we were used to with ICE vehicles. A little while later I happened to see this article about electric turbochargers being more responsive and efficient than exhaust driven turbos. Sorry I didn't bother to look for the article, but I had saved the part that I found interesting. I suppose whoever wrote this article is much smarter than I am so I need someone to explain to me how a turbo is going to help out an electric motor. Another question, since I am considering running the wheels off my old 21 GTPE, best car ever for me at least, is there a chance that by the time my battery, which seems to be horse and buggy tech now, wears out will there be newer tech replacement batteries available for 10 - 15 year old EV's that will fit a specific model? About every day you can read about some new battery, solid-state, aluminum air, and on and on. Some even on the road now and each making my battery seem like it came over on the Mayflower. It seems to me if any of this tech sees daylight, ICE vehicles are going to struggle. Just curious, be gentle.

Tldr nothing yet for our Mach-E models. Most likely I don't think this version and set up of our Mach-e model will cross the event horizon into solid state world.

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But I love the idea! Especially if you could add the GT motors to my premium. I think I'd only need to replace one of them.

I recently saw the GT motor for sale on one of the ford dot com sites just $1500 lol. (99% sure it can't be done)

As far as battery replacement this has been done with Tesla's who are basically the oldest 'electric' cars on the road. They have also kept the same format as far as almost everything else in the vehicle being able to recognize a new battery.

I've seen articles on a 10-year-old Model S whose battery was no longer useful. (holding 70% state of charge or lower)

Originally it had 240 mi range and they replaced the battery with a newer version of that battery which now gets them the 300 miles range.

Mostly this relies on the Mach-e model line lasting 10 model years and a new battery for the 2034 year would fit backwards or could be modified to fit 2024 etc

So the hope is whatever solid state is available 10 years from now could be made into the same size type size form factor etc and fit in instead of this version of battery.

But solid state would involve hardware and software too. Probably a new computer to recognize the battery who knows if you have to change the high voltage box and ancillary connectors etc

But like old cars hot rods and muscle cars there were swaps that came about because someone made the a special motor mount or transmission housing etc.

And then in the 90s changing chipsets in your car became a thing.

Would Ford create or let a third party come out with a new computer/battery/electric motor change package?

I would definitely like to see that in future. I would definitely like to see the Mach-e still around with updated models coming out in 2035

With all the changes to the technology though- the solid state might be 800 volts or some other setup that just wouldn't translate across is the more likely the problem.

Count on buying used batteries with more life left in them from a Mach-e at the Auto recycler.

Or suppose the last model year of the same electrical setup and sized mach-e was 2030 (making that up).

By law car manufacturers have to keep making replacement parts of discontinued vehicles for something like 10 years I think?

And hopefully the cost of that replacing battery in 2035 for a 2025 is half of what it costs this year.

But that's a lot of hoping. And as mentioned above, the battery may outlast the rest of the car in that old drive the wheels off concept.

 

[tbrumleve]

Look at how many have been sold. Not a lot compared to F150’s. Popular cars get the modder attention. This car doesn’t sell in huge numbers, and is EV. You’re not going to get a lot of folks wanting to mod and void warranties on an EV.

battery, motors, architecture matter most. Battery may be swapped if it’s exactly the same footprint / connections. Then there is chemistry - hardware may need to be replaced / upgraded. 400 vs 800V architecture will complicate things.

these aren’t simple ICE engines, and you can’t just bolt on an air blower and nitrous to get more power. I believe this is the “Apple-fication” of cars, where it’s all a walled garden.
One day, yes, but that’s probably 2060 or later.

 

[Mach1E]

Look at how many have been sold.

I agree with you except for this statement.

Right now they’re actually selling more Mach E’s than ICE Mustangs.

And look at the sales numbers for Teslas.

The lack of aftermarket performance upgrades for electric cars seems to lie solely based on the inability to access the computer “tune.”

If they could, there would be a market for it for sure, warranty be damned.

I would love the ability to get the full 580 hp out of my GTPE with just a tune. And the ability to beef up the supported components with aftermarket parts.

 

[MacherAWD]

A few weeks ago someone had posted about performance upgrades for electric vehicles. I tried to find it, but didn't so I thought this little deal was interesting. I believe he was wondering if there were any aftermarket upgrades that could be done to increase performance on EV's like we were used to with ICE vehicles. A little while later I happened to see this article about electric turbochargers being more responsive and efficient than exhaust driven turbos. Sorry I didn't bother to look for the article, but I had saved the part that I found interesting. I suppose whoever wrote this article is much smarter than I am so I need someone to explain to me how a turbo is going to help out an electric motor. Another question, since I am considering running the wheels off my old 21 GTPE, best car ever for me at least, is there a chance that by the time my battery, which seems to be horse and buggy tech now, wears out will there be newer tech replacement batteries available for 10 - 15 year old EV's that will fit a specific model? About every day you can read about some new battery, solid-state, aluminum air, and on and on. Some even on the road now and each making my battery seem like it came over on the Mayflower. It seems to me if any of this tech sees daylight, ICE vehicles are going to struggle. Just curious, be gentle.

Current batteries in EVs are the same as in our 2021 Mach-es. Despite the news there is nothing in new cars that is really any different.

As for old, you can replace the Battery in an older Tesla, in an Older Leaf, in an i3, all with Bigger, better and cheap batteries. So I would imagine in 2030 we would have options to swap batteries, add range, possibly enjoy more range.....Will it be expensive? Maybe, will it be easier/cheaper to just buy a new car? Maybe.

And the "new tech" you see in most mainstream companies, LFP is actually a cheaper, less energy dense battery, although more stable. So companies hype them as new, but then continue to use Lithium ion in the more expensive models because it performs better.

 

[Mark813]

Here's a link to the GT motor for fun. But $1500 plus labor another $1500 in made up world means $3,000 if it could be done not counting computers hvjb etc.

That also would have been the difference from a Premium AWD to a GT AWD in a lot of trade ins.

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-9000-MACHE

 

[stoopid]

Ford squeaks out more power from the same battery/electric motor combination from model year to model year (my 2024 Select has slightly more horsepower than the 2023, for example). It's all compromises for Ford in efficiency, battery drain, and motor wear. They have a warranty to cover. However, doing things with no warranty in mind (how most ICE upgrades should be considered, though we know many tweakers like to hide their changes), the sky's the limit. At least to the point of failure. In the same way adjusting fuel and air quantities and ratios can improve ICE output, adjusting software parameters should lead to higher power output at the cost of battery drain, battery and/or motor heat generated, shortened component life, etc.

In the same way biggest gains in unlocking significant ICE performance has been the result of hacking the ECU (engine's computer) and TCU (transmission's computer), one should be able to get similar control over the electrical components in an EV. But it takes time, some luck, probably some leaked insider Ford software backdoor access, etc. With many EVs offering a performance variant, and already achieving blistering straight line acceleration stock, it would be a potentially time consuming and costly effort with a fairly smallish market of interested people who are not already content with a car that can accelerate faster than 99.99% of situations would ever warrant.

Tires, brakes and suspension would seem like the best places to start if looking to improve the MME's shortcomings, as these are the vehicle's most compromised aspects stock (and limitations due to high curb weight).

 

[HuntingPudel]

Ford squeaks out more power from the same battery/electric motor combination from model year to model year (my 2024 Select has slightly more horsepower than the 2023, for example).
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The power difference between the 2021-2023 and 2024 is the use of an in-house rear motor for all trims, which is both more efficient and more powerful. It's why the 2021-2023 GT-PE make 634 lbs/ft of torque and the 2024-2025 GT with the PU make 700 lbs/ft.

 

[stoopid]

The power difference between the 2021-2023 and 2024 is the use of an in-house rear motor for all trims, which is both more efficient and more powerful. It's why the 2021-2023 GT-PE make 634 lbs/ft of torque and the 2024-2025 GT with the PU make 700 lbs/ft.

But there have been other improvements in past years using existing/same components, I guess mine was not a good example to use.

The extra output in the 2024 Select RWD was a nice bonus, I went into ownership thinking the old specs and performance, which were fine, was my reality. The car really zips with the better motor, especially considering it's the cheapest MME.

Then there's this, which is basically Ford doing what I described above for a fee: https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...g-mach-e-gt-performance-upgrade-option.37753/

 

[Mach1E]

Tires, brakes and suspension would seem like the best places to start if looking to improve the MME's shortcomings, as these are the vehicle's most compromised aspects stock (and limitations due to high curb weight).

Not really though if you have a GTPE.

When it came out in 2021, the only SUV that outhandled and outbraked it was the Lamborghini Urus.

Pretty impressive when you consider the weight and how the Urus isn’t really that far ahead (especially if you give us the same tires they use).

I just wish we could fix the power limitations of the 21-23. It’s still dang fast from a stop, but sad how much it falls on its face past 60.

 

[MME Farmer]

But there have been other improvements in past years using existing/same components, I guess mine was not a good example to use.

The extra output in the 2024 Select RWD was a nice bonus, I went into ownership thinking the old specs and performance, which were fine, was my reality. The car really zips with the better motor, especially considering it's the cheapest MME.

Then there's this, which is basically Ford doing what I described above for a fee: https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...g-mach-e-gt-performance-upgrade-option.37753/

I know it shouldn't matter to an old fart, but it sure seems like they could have made some retroactive changes to get rid of the 5 second limit, I still feel short-changed.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I know it shouldn't matter to an old fart, but it sure seems like they could have made some retroactive changes to get rid of the 5 second limit, I still feel short-changed.

That’s why this old dog traded his 2021 GT-PE in on a ‘24 GT.

 

[MME Farmer]

That’s why this old dog traded his 2021 GT-PE in on a ‘24 GT.

I hate to give up some of the things my old 21 has that your 24 doesn't have, it still gets going fast in a hurry anyway.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I hate to give up some of the things my old 21 has that your 24 doesn't have, it still gets going fast in a hurry anyway.

Pretty much the only things it doesn’t have are the 5 second limit, KtO lift gate, and Park Assist. Everything else has been added back in.

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