Cost to drive EV per state NYT Shared Article

[ChrisO]

Hmm. I was going off of the article's calculator which I now see is locked to a 50MPG "hybrid" (even if you modify the settings below). Teaches me to read more closely and not do my own math for that side. Thanks for the correction, I'll edit the above comment.

Where EVs (even plug in hybrids) really shine is in city driving. Whereas ICE cars go down in mpg in the city the opposite is true of EVs. I get about 4.4 miles per kWh in the city and 3 on the highway at about 70 mph.

Sponsored

 

[ericNdfw]

Yeah, but I rarely get better than 3 miles/kwh in town because I have a lead foot.

 

[ChrisO]

Yeah, but I rarely get better than 3 miles/kwh in town because I have a lead foot.

Did you take that into account when you calculated mpg for the ICE cars?

 

[MacherAWD]

Did you take that into account when you calculated mpg for the ICE cars?

So that is tough. When I drove an ICE I was responsible, didnt speed, didnt accelerate too hard. It is a concern with EVs, they are so damn fun and durable you are likely to speed. I drive like I am 18 again.

 

[Flyboy]

Just a side note on the cost to drive an EV with home charging...
My NRG cost per mile to drive the MME is the same as was the cost per mile to replace my tires @ 33,000 miles (Michelin AS-4). 5 Cents per mile for NRG and another 5 cents per mile for rubber. Still a bargain.

 

[Trick.Mach-E]

I’m curious though the difference in cost for the supplier between gas and electric.

I really think some public stations are price gouging even more than oil companies do in terms of what they charge compared to the price they pay and overall maintenance/cost to maintain of these stations.

I believe @ChrisO has a great response with regards to price gouging for EV's or gas. If EV is price gouging they are doing it very consistently as charge rates are generally the same at all stations. Some brands more some brands less but consistent.

Gas prices though are all over the place and it's not just from town to town. From one side of a town to another there are big differences in the cost of gas, even with the same brands. Heck, there can be huge differences in price from one corner gas station to the other corner gas station across the street!

But back to EV charge rates if they are price gouging it may only be at peak times. However, at least with EV you might see a huge discount in charge rates in the early morning or late night vs gas being pretty much the same cost at peak times or non-peak times.

 

[ericNdfw]

Did you take that into account when you calculated mpg for the ICE cars?

Another fair point! My prior car was a 2018 Kia Stinger GT2 which was similarly quick and I drove in a similarly "spirited" manner. I got about 19 MPG in that. (Previous to it, I was in EREVs and PHEVs for a decade)

So comparing that (rounding to 20 for easier math) and using current gas prices, we get:
5 * 2.70 = $13.5

... BUT my Stinger recommended premium gas which is about $3.03/gal as of today so it's more like:
5 * 3.03 = $15.15

So I guess I'm still way ahead!

This all being said, the benefits of never dealing with gas stations and minimal maintenance FAR outweigh even break-even fueling costs.

 

[gexgecko]

Canada home charging: 2.8c/kWh plus 2.4 cents delivery, ends up at around a dollar Canadian per 100 miles (161km).

 

[ChrisO]

Canada home charging: 2.8c/kWh plus 2.4 cents delivery, ends up at around a dollar Canadian per 100 miles (161km).

I really envy the people with such low electric costs. Here in California we're like the second highest only Hawaii has higher costs. And except for the new renewables like solar that they've added that's all shipped in from thousands of miles away.

 

[ex2bot]

Canada home charging: 2.8c/kWh plus 2.4 cents delivery, ends up at around a dollar Canadian per 100 miles (161km).

Is that because of hydro?

 

[HeliDriver]

Canada home charging: 2.8c/kWh plus 2.4 cents delivery, ends up at around a dollar Canadian per 100 miles (161km).

Just to clarify the rate you mentioned… far as I can tell that is the ultra low overnight in Ontario where the on peak rate is an astronomical 28.4 cents/KWh.
In BC with the time of day pricing, the standard rate is 12.63 cents regular hours, 7.63 over night, and 17.63 on peak hours.
Obviously I charge my Mach E GT over night at 7.63 which comes out to $1.91/100 km where I’m averaging 4.4km/KW. The fast charge rate at say Chevron is 39 cents/KWh. which brings the price up to $9.75/100 km. Comparing that to my Golf R using premium gas at $2.00/litre and 10L/100km is $20/100km.
My VW Atlas averages 12L/100km with price of gas at $1.60/litre comes out to $19.20/100km.
This EV is still far cheaper than my ICE cars by far.

 

[gexgecko]

Is that because of hydro?

Actually, we're mostly nuclear around my neck of the woods!

 

[gexgecko]

Just to clarify the rate you mentioned… far as I can tell that is the ultra low overnight in Ontario where the on peak rate is an astronomical 28.4 cents/KWh.
In BC with the time of day pricing, the standard rate is 12.63 cents regular hours, 7.63 over night, and 17.63 on peak hours.
Obviously I charge my Mach E GT over night at 7.63 which comes out to $1.91/100 km where I’m averaging 4.4km/KW. The fast charge rate at say Chevron is 39 cents/KWh. which brings the price up to $9.75/100 km. Comparing that to my Golf R using premium gas at $2.00/litre and 10L/100km is $20/100km.
My VW Atlas averages 12L/100km with price of gas at $1.60/litre comes out to $19.20/100km.
This EV is still far cheaper than my ICE cars by far.

Correct, they gouge you on peak times. The break even or better is that you get the ULO on the weekends too, which makes the weekend cheaper generally, and (for me) ends up better overall. I pay a bit less than I did BEFORE I got the car after the switch.

Let me know if you want a matlab/octave script to check which is cheaper (I grabbed an average day from every month last year from my hourly data and it turned out it was cheaper to switch even before the car!)

 

[Space_Pony]

I believe @ChrisO has a great response with regards to price gouging for EV's or gas. If EV is price gouging they are doing it very consistently as charge rates are generally the same all stations. Some brands more some brands less but consistent.

Gas prices though are all over the place and it's not just from town to town. From one side of a town to another there are big differences in the cost of gas, even with the same brands. Heck, there can be huge differences in price from one corner gas station to the other corner gas station access a street!

But back to EV charge rates if they are price gouging it may only be at peak times. However, at least with EV you might see a huge discount in charge rates in the early morning or late night vs gas being pretty much the same cost at peak times or non-peak times.

In my area one DCFC is $.30 and another one is $2.30. Our gas stations are much more consistent.

 

[ChrisO]

In my area one DCFC is $.30 and another one is $2.30. Our gas stations are much more consistent.

What! $2.30 per kWh?

Even in California the highest I have seen is .74 and the “normal” is .65.

Sponsored