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[YeastLyfe]

We've had a 2021 MME AWD ER since December '21 and a '22 Model Y LR since February 2022 and I love driving both of them but in a perfect world, someone would make a car combining the best traits of both.

Features I would take from the MME:
1) Looks. The MME is gorgeous compared to the Model Y which looks like a bloated Model 3. And the MME is the first car I've ever had where people stop to ask about it. This will slow down as more of them get out there but I like it for now.
2) Physical build quality. The MME feels more solid and well built. Model Y feels cheap in many respects. I didn't have too many build issues (no noticeable panel gaps) with the Model Y except for the sunroof, which is slightly askew (I noticed it when I tried to install an aftermarket noise dampening kit because the gap was too narrow on one side of the glass and too wide on the other).
3) Ride quality. They're both a bit bumpy but the MME less so. MME seems quieter and less bumpy on the same roads.
4) BlueCruise over Autopilot allllllll day long. Legit hands free driving on the interstate with BlueCruise is far superior to the constant wiggling of the steering wheel on Autopilot. And no phantom breaking in the MME.
5) Seating comfort. I find the MME more comfortable compared to the Model Y seats that don't breathe.

Features I would take from the Model Y:
1) Charging network. While not a feature of the car itself, the Tesla charging network and navigating a road trip is soooo easy in the Model Y. You still obviously have to plan your destination charging but the trip itself is planned out for you by the car. You've got to do your homework and plan out stops and have a backup plan with the MME and it's certainly doable but it's just so damn easy with the Model Y. And I've had a flawless experience with Supercharging every time in the Tesla network. Not so with the MME.
2) Stopping. The Model Y glides to a stop so smooth that I don't even feel it. You can just take your foot off the accelerator and it will glide to a flawless stop. It's possible with the MME but it requires a deft physical touch to pull off the same thing.
3) Entering Autopilot. This is a small thing but I prefer entering Cruise control/Autopilot with a tug of the stock.
4) Software generally. The software is so fast to start up in the Model Y and much more responsive than the MME.
5) OTA updates. They're regular with the Model Y and definitely add useful features (side cameras activated with the blinker was added OTA as one example). OTA updates are a joke with the MME. I was going to wait for the recall software to be added OTA for the MME but as of September it still hadn't been installed so I had it done at a dealer, which was another pain in the ass I already posted about (dealer closest to me refused to do the work because I didn't buy it from them).
6) Purchase experience. Love, love, love not having to go to a dealer to purchase the car. The price is what it is. I had a reservation for the MME but ended up buying off the lot. It was essentially MSRP but I was forced to take what amounted to about $4k worth of bullshit paint protection and interior protection stuff I wouldn't have otherwise gotten. So yes, I paid a bit of ADM. Not the worst dealer experience I've ever had but still not great. The dealer model needs to die a painful death.

Tie:
1) Range is pretty much the same between the two cars.

So they're both great cars but if someone could combine the best features from both cars... A boy can dream.

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[DennisD]

We've had a 2021 MME AWD ER since December '21 and a '22 Model Y LR since February 2022 and I love driving both of them but in a perfect world, someone would make a car combining the best traits of both.

Features I would take from the MME:
1) Looks. The MME is gorgeous compared to the Model Y which looks like a bloated Model 3. And the MME is the first car I've ever had where people stop to ask about it. This will slow down as more of them get out there but I like it for now.
2) Physical build quality. The MME feels more solid and well built. Model Y feels cheap in many respects. I didn't have too many build issues (no noticeable panel gaps) with the Model Y except for the sunroof, which is slightly askew (I noticed it when I tried to install an aftermarket noise dampening kit because the gap was too narrow on one side of the glass and too wide on the other).
3) Ride quality. They're both a bit bumpy but the MME less so. MME seems quieter and less bumpy on the same roads.
4) BlueCruise over Autopilot allllllll day long. Legit hands free driving on the interstate with BlueCruise is far superior to the constant wiggling of the steering wheel on Autopilot. And no phantom breaking in the MME.
5) Seating comfort. I find the MME more comfortable compared to the Model Y seats that don't breathe.

Features I would take from the Model Y:
1) Charging network. While not a feature of the car itself, the Tesla charging network and navigating a road trip is soooo easy in the Model Y. You still obviously have to plan your destination charging but the trip itself is planned out for you by the car. You've got to do your homework and plan out stops and have a backup plan with the MME and it's certainly doable but it's just so damn easy with the Model Y. And I've had a flawless experience with Supercharging every time in the Tesla network. Not so with the MME.
2) Stopping. The Model Y glides to a stop so smooth that I don't even feel it. You can just take your foot off the accelerator and it will glide to a flawless stop. It's possible with the MME but it requires a deft physical touch to pull off the same thing.
3) Entering Autopilot. This is a small thing but I prefer entering Cruise control/Autopilot with a tug of the stock.
4) Software generally. The software is so fast to start up in the Model Y and much more responsive than the MME.
5) OTA updates. They're regular with the Model Y and definitely add useful features (side cameras activated with the blinker was added OTA as one example). OTA updates are a joke with the MME. I was going to wait for the recall software to be added OTA for the MME but as of September it still hadn't been installed so I had it done at a dealer, which was another pain in the ass I already posted about (dealer closest to me refused to do the work because I didn't buy it from them).
6) Purchase experience. Love, love, love not having to go to a dealer to purchase the car. The price is what it is. I had a reservation for the MME but ended up buying off the lot. It was essentially MSRP but I was forced to take what amounted to about $4k worth of bullshit paint protection and interior protection stuff I wouldn't have otherwise gotten. So yes, I paid a bit of ADM. Not the worst dealer experience I've ever had but still not great. The dealer model needs to die a painful death.

Tie:
1) Range is pretty much the same between the two cars.

So they're both great cars but if someone could combine the best features from both cars... A boy can dream.

If I were to just select the MME, my dream MME would be a Grabber Blue Premium AWD ER (like I currently have) with the Fender Flares and Mirror the same color as the body color (as in the First Edition). I like the lighter interior and that is why I chose a Premium over a First Edition.

I would also make the gloss plastic trim pieces a matte finish. Gloss looks great until you drive it. Don't know what Ford was thinking on that one IMHO.

I would also like to have the Tesla plug in place of Fords plug for charging.

I have not had a chance to drive it much but those are the things that jump out to me.

 

[voxel]

2) Stopping. The Model Y glides to a stop so smooth that I don't even feel it. You can just take your foot off the accelerator and it will glide to a flawless stop. It's possible with the MME but it requires a deft physical touch to pull off the same thing.

I don't know if Ford has applied the blended braking OTA to older model years but my two '22 have pretty solid braking to a stop compared to my Job 2 2021 Premium which would rock me violently sometimes when slowing to a stop (there's some harsh brake grab). Yes Teslas, Polestar, and the Bolt have near perfect regen to brake but the Mach-E is very close now.

I do miss built in native dashcam + sentry.

I agree that the range is the same for both (when comparing MYLR to Prem AWD ER) and both have problematic suspensions. It's painfully obvious when you jump into an i4 or ID.4 where the suspension is properly sorted.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

I generally agree with your list. One thing I would add to your comments on BlueCruise is that I hate the way Tesla autopilot and FSD disengage if you have the audacity to move the steering wheel more than a couple of millimeters, or worse yet, change lanes on your own. So while you might be able to engage it more easily (I actually prefer the MME for this), you constantly need to do it! Drives me crazy.

Regarding s/w responsiveness, I don't recall the 2021 M3 I drove last Christmas for a couple weeks to be appreciably faster, though that was before I got my 2022 MME. I'll be driving the M3 again this Christmas (house/cat sitting gig in Hawaii that comes complete with car - yeah, I know, life is tough?), so it will be interesting to be able to make a more direct comparison...

 

[MW1515]

I'm assuming when you talk about stopping you are talking about 1PD. My 22 has flawless gentle braking to a stop with 1PD, so it will probably be applied to the 21s at some point.

 

[duneii]

I'm assuming when you talk about stopping you are talking about 1PD. My 22 has flawless gentle braking to a stop with 1PD, so it will probably be applied to the 21s at some point.

On my Job 1 Model year '21, it was night and day difference on 1PD stopping after the dealer update of sw modules last September.

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