Tesla owners and CCS chargers.... They are invading.... and Rude!

[tfitzgex]

I am fortunate to live in the Portland metro (not Portland proper, ewww) Our local power company Portland General Electric has partnered with Shell to bring us 'Electric Avenue' a subscription based charging network that as 5 charge centers around the area. The advantage to this is it is just 25 dollars a month all-you-can-charge. While it is only 50KW, it is fast enough for me. I can't charge at home because I live in an older townhouse and the current panel won't hand a 220 circuit.
We have always had one or two Teslas who would pop up with the CHADeMO to tesla adapters, to charge, but it would be very infrequently. However... Now that Uber is renting out Tesla Model 3s, the CCS car owners have had to deal with new Tesla taking up the level 2 chargers overnight (they do say 2 hour limit on every station, but it isn't enforced) Now there is a relatively cheap CCS to Tesla adapter (it's like 200) I pull up last night and bam, 2 out of 4 chargers are taken up by clone army (white model 3s) They come in at 3 or 4 percent, plug in and go shopping, come back and sit in the cars for at least another hour or two.
I feel if more of them know about this adapter or Tesla starts to sell one, we are going to be squeezed out of the charging stations, Tesla is by far the most prevalent electric car in Oregon, Tesla keeps raising their charge rates due to electricity pricing.

When I told my model X owning friend of the upcoming change to the Tesla supercharger network to allow non-teslas he was almost incensed. He stated that they were already overcrowded and should allow the non-teslas to charge there.

-End Rant.

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[awp0]

Don’t worry, they’ll realize how maddeningly unreliable EA is and they’ll go back to paying the Supercharger premium.

 

[generaltso]

I feel if more of them know about this adapter or Tesla starts to sell one

Start to?

https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter

 

[SprManKalEl]

I think, without a proper infrastructure, charging on the go is going to be really hairy for a while. People will be rude and stay longer than they're supposed to. They will pull in to a spot being vacated regardless of anyone else who has been waiting. They will just generally be a-holes.

I was in a town (small but crowded) that had TWO chargers in the whole town. We kept monitoring the app to see when one would come open. When we went to the charger, there were 2 cars plugged in. One was fully charged and the owner was nowhere to be found. It had been on the charger for HOURS after it charged. The owner, parked, charged, went to the beach and didn't care because it was cheaper to leave the car there than to pay for beach parking. RUDE AF!

 

[bristol16]

Does it matter that they are Teslas? I feel like if those drivers bought other EVs and not Teslas they would still be charging there and displaying the same behaviors. EVs need to charge somewhere, I don’t see the need to segregate Teslas to their own chargers, or any other manufacturer either. It’s not really the drivers fault that the infrastructure where you live is inadequate to support the number of EVs on the road.

 

[Blue highway]

Time for captain contrarian!

Captain Contrarian here... I'd like to point out that there are a couple of problems here - the first is un metered charging... fixed fee all you want charging is a terrible idea because the charge station count is small and the time you need to charge is long, it encourages binging. A small number of people make a larger number of people miserable. Charging should always be by KW delivered plus outrageously high idle time fees.... duh....

The second problem is buying an EV and expecting to rely on public charging... this will be increasingly miserable as EV's vastly out strip public charging stations... sorry.

Captain contrarian out!...

 

[tfitzgex]

Time for captain contrarian!

Captain Contrarian here... I'd like to point out that there are a couple of problems here - the first is un metered charging... fixed fee all you want charging is a terrible idea because the charge station count is small and the time you need to charge is long, it encourages binging. A small number of people make a larger number of people miserable. Charging should always be by KW delivered plus outrageously high idle time fees.... duh....

The second problem is buying an EV and expecting to rely on public charging... this will be increasingly miserable as EV's vastly out strip public charging stations... sorry.

Captain contrarian out!...

Well, when I bought it, I was assured that they would install a 220 outlet in my place.... turns out the panel wouldn't handle it nicely.. 50 yo wiring will do that. Sure I can charge on 110, but damn that takes forever. Also there are many city dwellers who don't have the ability to charge at home. If you want electric cars on the road, you have to build the infrastructure.

 

[SprManKalEl]

The second problem is buying an EV and expecting to rely on public charging... this will be increasingly miserable as EV's vastly out strip public charging stations... sorry.

Captain contrarian out!...

If gas stations were smart, they'd find a way to start installing chargers. Especially the big chain ones that have convenience stores attached to them like Circle K, Wawa, Sheets, etc. This way, they're ahead of the curve.

 

[nvabill]

Does it matter that they are Teslas? I feel like if those drivers bought other EVs and not Teslas they would still be charging there and displaying the same behaviors. EVs need to charge somewhere, I don’t see the need to segregate Teslas to their own chargers, or any other manufacturer either. It’s not really the drivers fault that the infrastructure where you live is inadequate to support the number of EVs on the road.

Agree 100%!

 

[nvabill]

I am fortunate to live in the Portland metro (not Portland proper, ewww) Our local power company Portland General Electric has partnered with Shell to bring us 'Electric Avenue' a subscription based charging network that as 5 charge centers around the area. The advantage to this is it is just 25 dollars a month all-you-can-charge. While it is only 50KW, it is fast enough for me. I can't charge at home because I live in an older townhouse and the current panel won't hand a 220 circuit.
We have always had one or two Teslas who would pop up with the CHADeMO to tesla adapters, to charge, but it would be very infrequently. However... Now that Uber is renting out Tesla Model 3s, the CCS car owners have had to deal with new Tesla taking up the level 2 chargers overnight (they do say 2 hour limit on every station, but it isn't enforced) Now there is a relatively cheap CCS to Tesla adapter (it's like 200) I pull up last night and bam, 2 out of 4 chargers are taken up by clone army (white model 3s) They come in at 3 or 4 percent, plug in and go shopping, come back and sit in the cars for at least another hour or two.
I feel if more of them know about this adapter or Tesla starts to sell one, we are going to be squeezed out of the charging stations, Tesla is by far the most prevalent electric car in Oregon, Tesla keeps raising their charge rates due to electricity pricing.

When I told my model X owning friend of the upcoming change to the Tesla supercharger network to allow non-teslas he was almost incensed. He stated that they were already overcrowded and should allow the non-teslas to charge there.

-End Rant.

Enough with the Tesla hate, these are folks driving an EV who need a charge, if their behavior is rude then so be it, let them know, PERIOD! End of Rant!

 

[SprManKalEl]

Enough with the Tesla hate, these are folks driving an EV who need a charge, if their behavior is rude then so be it, let them know, PERIOD! End of Rant!

As there are more EVs on the road, this will not be limited to Teslas. That's my point. I have experienced already.

 

[nvabill]

As there are more EVs on the road, this will not be limited to Teslas. That's my point. I have experienced already.

Exactly, it just gets old hearing the rants about Tesla owners, they have every right to charge where they want to the same as those of us in Mach E's.

 

[Blue highway]

If gas stations were smart, they'd find a way to start installing chargers. Especially the big chain ones that have convenience stores attached to them like Circle K, Wawa, Sheets, etc. This way, they're ahead of the curve.

I'm not so sure... the model that makes sense from a business perspective is offering charging while people are spending money on something else... e.g. grocery shopping, watching a movie, having a meal.

Because meaningful charging takes ~30 mins the gas station model is doomed.

 

[The Black Horse]

I'm not a Tesla fanboy but i just want to say, i don't think its the teslas but the drivers... here me out.

I live in NYC and our taxi's have begun the switch to EV's. They are the absolute worst!!! They have no EV owner etiquette. Charge the car to 100% which takes forever. There is always like 4 of them hogging up the charger at once.

When i try to tell them that their car charges soo much slower from 80-100% they don't give a damn. I'm assuming its because they are on the clock and getting paid while charging.

 

[AKgrampy]

Well, when I bought it, I was assured that they would install a 220 outlet in my place.... turns out the panel wouldn't handle it nicely.. 50 yo wiring will do that. Sure I can charge on 110, but damn that takes forever. Also there are many city dwellers who don't have the ability to charge at home. If you want electric cars on the road, you have to build the infrastructure.

EV’S are here to stay so my suggestion would be to make the investment and upgrade your electric service. I only charge at home and there are not many EV’S local but I know I would likewise be irritated in your situation. Only control you have though is to your residence.

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