Tesla to open ~20% of U.S. Superchargers to all EVs by end of 2024

[dbsb3233]

I have a really novel idea, why don't they just build more chargers nationwide instead of worrying about sucking the tits of Tesla? ? Yeah, that's the ticket, put in enough chargers so the whole Tesla charger debacle is a non issue, yeah, that might work!

They are (EA and the others). But for the big picture, it's even better to bring Tesla into the CCS fold and promote universiality. We need to get to a point where any EV can use any station, to maximize coverage.

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[dbsb3233]

It would be great if the government required Tesla to prevent Telsa's from using the CCS cords.

Tesla would never go for that. Plus that further promotes port segregation. This is a step closed to universiality, which should be the goal.

 

[dbsb3233]

I know there's a lot of heeing and hawing about this, but I see it as a good thing. Sure we may not rely solely on the Tesla Supercharging network, sure Tesla owners may use the "magic dock" first, but at the end of the day, if you need a charge and the only option is a Tesla Supercharger, aren't you happy it's actually available to use?

More options is better.

Absolutely. We're pointing out ways it's still less than ideal, but there's no question that this is an incremental move in the right direction overall.

 

[eleven24]

20% of the total number of chargers. That could be 20% at each location, or 20% of locations having 100% of their chargers with the CCS connector. More than likely it will be a mix of both cases.

I have personally been charging at the EA at the walmart in somerdale NJ and watched a model 3 pull in front of an EA charger and the driver start to walk into the walmart with his girlfriend. I told the driver (complete with a tight fitting Tesla t-shirt) it wasn't a parking space at which point he said "oh, i'll plug in when I get back". The fact that I knew he couldn't plug in (this was before the Tesla CCS adapter) led him to a different tactic of telling me I have to say "please" in order for him to move his car.

On my trip to Florida we went to the georgia aquarium which has 12 L2 chargers. Of the 12 spaces 5 of them had Teslas in front of them, and only 1 of them was plugged in.

You can try to pretend that it doesn't happen, but it does.

Let's be honest here. Anyone who drives an EV and is reliant upon DCFC isn't going to park at a charger while not plugged in. As a Tesla driver I've found the entire community to be nothing but friendly, respectful and encouraged by ALL EV adoption. In fact, most of the chatting I've done with other Tesla drivers while charging is usually about the newer EV's coming out and the excitement over them.

If you've found a few incidents where Tesla drivers "ICE'd" for lack of a better term, an EV charger, you've found a very small minority.

 

[RickMachE]

Let's be honest here. Anyone who drives an EV and is reliant upon DCFC isn't going to park at a charger while not plugged in. As a Tesla driver I've found the entire community to be nothing but friendly, respectful and encouraged by ALL EV adoption. In fact, most of the chatting I've done with other Tesla drivers while charging is usually about the newer EV's coming out and the excitement over them.

If you've found a few incidents where Tesla drivers "ICE'd" for lack of a better term, an EV charger, you've found a very small minority.

Guess either you haven't driven around much, or you're not looking, but this statement (in bold) is not true in real life experience. I have seen, often, vehicles at EA locations not plugged in. I have seen Tesla's parked at EA locations, not plugged in. Not 1, 2, but many. I watched a Tesla driver pull into EA, park, and go to the store. Never touched the charger.

 

[dbsb3233]

The White House statement specifically says that Tesla is opening up stations along travel corridors. These rural stations are largely underutilized with only light traffic so don’t be surprised if it’s half or all of the stalls are CCS compatible.

While I'm skeptical that government statements like this are any more than just general sales pitch devoid of detail, I do hope that the rollout is almost entirely road trip route (between cities) rather than urban. There's usually other CCS backup option in most cities already (except for a few remaining states). It's the road trip coverage that needs to expand. Even if SCs are just a backup to the CCS networks.

 

[eleven24]

I could see some intentional pettiness from drivers upset that "their" network can now be used by "outsiders", but I don't expect that will be very prevalent.

However, it's also possible the CCS-capable chargers could be more popular for other (legit) reasons. Depends on how they plan to handle the port location issue. The two logical solutions are longer cables, or a more open layout that allows the car to pull up from either side. If they do that, that's gonna naturally draw Tesla drivers to those as well just because that's easier.

I chose a Tesla Model Y as my first EV 18 months ago primarily because of the range Tesla sold the car on (which I later learned was overstated) and the Supercharger network always being available where I live in NE PA. I'm not sure there is "pettiness" from Tesla drivers as much as there is feeling like you based a purchase decision on a car based on the exclusivity of the charging network, and now that's being taken away.

When purchasing I liked the looks and drive of the Mach-e much better, but went with the Tesla. 18 months in, I have the car I originally wanted - a MME GT - on order to replace the Model Y. Still, while I appreciate that the Supercharger network will be open to me in my MME, I completely understand why Tesla drivers would feel like Elon pulled the rug out from under them.

 

[eleven24]

Guess either you haven't driven around much, or you're not looking, but this statement (in bold) is not true in real life experience. I have seen, often, vehicles at EA locations not plugged in. I have seen Tesla's parked at EA locations, not plugged in. Not 1, 2, but many. I watched a Tesla driver pull into EA, park, and go to the store. Never touched the charger.

28k miles in 15 months. Charge at Superchargers, EA and ChargePoint stations. I've never found what you're suggesting. Perhaps after I drive 30k miles I'll see it. Will keep you posted.

 

[voxel]

An easy win for everybody would be for Tesla to install Magic Dock chargers at locations with spare transformer capacity. Retrofitting (according to my Tesla insider) is expensive as building new.

My Tesla insider showed me the new non-USS Vision update but I’m not still not buying another Tesla until they add a 360 camera or USS back lol.

 

[timbop]

Let's be honest here. Anyone who drives an EV and is reliant upon DCFC isn't going to park at a charger while not plugged in. As a Tesla driver I've found the entire community to be nothing but friendly, respectful and encouraged by ALL EV adoption. In fact, most of the chatting I've done with other Tesla drivers while charging is usually about the newer EV's coming out and the excitement over them.

If you've found a few incidents where Tesla drivers "ICE'd" for lack of a better term, an EV charger, you've found a very small minority.

Yes, the case I am talking about was locals using the EV space as a personal parking spot. The point being that there's already an ingrained lack of thoughtfulness on the part of some fraction of EV owners who aren't considerate of others.

Things will be VERY different when CCS cars add to the congestion at already congested Tesla chargers. I am certain we both can envision Tesla owners being angry and/or frustrated about it - to the point of some overtly doing something about it. One thing that convinced me NOT to buy a Tesla was an hour on a Tesla forum where a vocal minority shouted down and outright mocked anyone posting honest criticism.

As @dbsb3233 said: even if it is not done with malice the fact is that it can happen and therefore this will not necessarily be the panacea that everyone hopes.

 

[Logal727]

In other words, Elon was told that in order to get the Federal money he needed to open a minimum of 20% of the Supercharger network to all EV's. Being a current Model Y owner (waiting to trade in for a MME I have on order) here's a little known fact that now everyone must adhere by:

In order to keep charging one must talk about Elon while plugged in, or he'll change the "algorithm" to reduce your charging curve.

Must like one Elon tweet per charging session. I'm sure this will happen soon.

 

[dbsb3233]

I chose a Tesla Model Y as my first EV 18 months ago primarily because of the range Tesla sold the car on (which I later learned was overstated) and the Supercharger network always being available where I live in NE PA. I'm not sure there is "pettiness" from Tesla drivers as much as there is feeling like you based a purchase decision on a car based on the exclusivity of the charging network, and now that's being taken away.

When purchasing I liked the looks and drive of the Mach-e much better, but went with the Tesla. 18 months in, I have the car I originally wanted - a MME GT - on order to replace the Model Y. Still, while I appreciate that the Supercharger network will be open to me in my MME, I completely understand why Tesla drivers would feel like Elon pulled the rug out from under them.

And that's valid. Whatever term we apply to it, there's gonna be some of that resentment toward this from Tesla owners. And some will probably take that out by using the CCS stalls first. But hopefully that's minimal and will fade soon.

There's a little of that feeling the other way too, when we see Teslas using precious EA stalls. I don't see it much, but some (either the CHAdeMO adapter or the new CCS adapter). Can't help but think "Damn it, they have their own network that they say is so great, so WTH are they tying up our limited CCS chargers?!?".

Some of that is inevitable, both directions.

 

[Logal727]

28k miles in 15 months. Charge at Superchargers, EA and ChargePoint stations. I've never found what you're suggesting. Perhaps after I drive 30k miles I'll see it. Will keep you posted.

Definite doesn't happen cause you don't see it. Some fine logic.

 

[Logal727]

And that's valid. Whatever term we apply to it, there's gonna be some of that resentment toward this from Tesla owners. And some will probably take that out by using the CCS stalls first. But hopefully that's minimal and will fade soon.

There's a little of that feeling the other way too, when we see Teslas using precious EA stalls. I don't see it much, but some (either the CHAdeMO adapter or the new CCS adapter). Can't help but think "Damn it, they have their own network that they say is so great, so WTH are they tying up our limited CCS chargers?!?".

Some of that is inevitable, both directions.

Teslas are so ubiquitous that a lot of the aggression we see sometimes is just plain ignorant EV owners. A lot of Tesla owners I've talked to don't really know much about EVs at all, they just drive a Tesla.

 

[AhardFSU]

I chose a Tesla Model Y as my first EV 18 months ago primarily because of the range Tesla sold the car on (which I later learned was overstated) and the Supercharger network always being available where I live in NE PA. I'm not sure there is "pettiness" from Tesla drivers as much as there is feeling like you based a purchase decision on a car based on the exclusivity of the charging network, and now that's being taken away.

When purchasing I liked the looks and drive of the Mach-e much better, but went with the Tesla. 18 months in, I have the car I originally wanted - a MME GT - on order to replace the Model Y. Still, while I appreciate that the Supercharger network will be open to me in my MME, I completely understand why Tesla drivers would feel like Elon pulled the rug out from under them.

See, I don’t get the line of thinking where the Telsa owners feel like the Super Charger network should be exclusive. Bc the CCS DCFC is open to Telsa owners and I don’t get the general sense that CCS owners are like, ‘No CCS should be exclusive to CCS owners’.

If you want the EV market to expand, we have to move toward openness.

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