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The Pilots are awesome tires.
I used the summer ones on my Mustang GT in Texas and switched to the all seasons when I moved to Seattle.
Hope you had a good reason to move from Texas to Seattle. I hope you got a heck of a pay raise! My crazy brother moved from Hawaii to Wisconsin! To marry a women!
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It's been a while since I've done this, but I thought it was required to wait until 2/32" so not sure why they insisted you replace at 4/32. I'm not exactly sure of the proration formula, whether it's based on price of original tires or replacement ones. To be fair all around it should be a refund based on cost of original ones.

I think there may be an element of time (life of tire/ 4 or 5 years?) now also. If you don't get down to the minimum tread before end of tire life then maybe no refund either?
Tires have been in use for about 2 years with 17K miles on them, well within the 6 year / 70K mile warranty. All 4 replaced at the same time at DT followed by periodic rotation + balance at the same shop.

My guess is they don't have to offer true proration until the tire is down to 2/32nds, at which point they would be required to refund a sizeable portion of the original purchase price. To avoid that, maybe they try to force customers to replace tires at around 4 or 5/32nds (of course touting the safety concern), when they are free to adopt any proration formula they choose.
 

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You're relying on a projection beforehand not the actual results afterward. By that logic the Eagles had a parade last week celebrating their Superbowl victory.
By definition, GOM = Guess-o-Meter. The operative word is "guess". Using the GOM as evidence that higher rolling resistance tires don't impact range is the opposite of scientific. And the GT is just as efficient as the Premium 4X? Not according to Ford.
 

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You're relying on a projection beforehand not the actual results afterward. By that logic the Eagles had a parade last week celebrating their Superbowl victory.
Of course not. Do read rest of my post.
 

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Hope you had a good reason to move from Texas to Seattle. I hope you got a heck of a pay raise! My crazy brother moved from Hawaii to Wisconsin! To marry a women!
I moved here to work for Microsoft 10 years ago, I’m almost making twice as much as I did in Texas. I ended up loving it here. Snowboarding in the winter. Motorcycle track days in the summer. Dirt bike riding in the woods all year long.

BTW, I love my P365XL
 


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so all these 55k and 45k tires only getting less then 20k miles. anyone even bothered trying to claim a warranty? or are tire warranties still more worthless the the paper they are on? with every scenario them just saying it was your driving and denying a claim. I dont personally know one person who has ever successfully had a manufacturer tier warranty honored for tread life. but seems to me a 55k tire only getting 19k should qualify for something.
I had a Mazda 3 that had low profile tires from the factory, I got 11,000 miles out of the OEM'S replaced them with Pirelli's that had a 60,000 mile warranty on them. I got about 30,000 miles out of them. I live where there are lots of curves and lots of elevation changes. Paid close to $1,000.00 for the first set, used the pro-rated warranty on the next set and paid around 500 bucks for the next set. Done this a couple more times, saved me lots of money. So yea I have used the tire wear warranty, I usually buy my tires from Discount Tire.
 

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Can you keep the original rims if you get a wider tire. I have a mach e ice version the rims are white and I would like to keep original rims.
 

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Yeah, You can't really weigh how much better tire B is over tire A if tire A wasn't designed to be a slick in the first place. Having 8+ 32'ds of tread makes a massive difference in road noise, grip etc. Your old ones were 3/32's or less.

My FFe ended up with new tires in Nov because it was at 3/32'ds and I had no clue. I thought my alignment was trashed. Went from a $1000 set of tires with 3/32'ds tread to a $500 set of new (much crappier) 11/32ds tires and it's light years better.
I can vouch for how great these Pilot Sport All-Season 4’s are! Way better than the 3’s and amazing traction but definite loss of efficiency, big time!
 

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I've heard a lot of good words about The Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 PLUS - probably no one here had them and Pilot Sport for direct comparison, but maybe it's still possible to compare?
 

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Here you go, openly not huge differences. Notice too the Hypertrac did better than either in a bunch of categories.


https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=280
I wish they would also test efficiency, because I bet some of them have higher rolling resistance than others and that might just be the thing that helps me pick my next tire. For now, the DWS 06+ seems to be the best choice for me. Or maybe I will stick with the stock tires. I am not sure I am ready to lose 10-20 miles of range.
 
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I wish they would also test efficiently, because I bet some of them have higher rolling resistance than others and that might just be the thing that helps me pick my next tire. For now, the DWS 06+ seems to be the best choice for me. Or maybe I will stick with the stock tires. I am not sure I am ready to lose 10-20 miles of range.
Well, from what I have seen none of these are very efficient. Like Europe the United States should rate rolling resistance on every tire. Just adopt the euro labels and rating process and your done. Expect 6% maybe as high as 10% loss on any of these. The next generation is these will be a much smaller loss and be much more comfortable over bumps
 
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Well, from what I have seen none of these are very efficient. Like Europe the United States should rate rolling resistance on every tire. Just adopt the euro labels and rating process and your done. Expect 8% maybe 10% loss on any of these. The next generation is these will be a much smaller loss and be much more comfortable over bumps
That is my feeling as well. Which is why I am not sure that works for me. At highway speeds, I am getting 220-240 range. A 10% loss could cut that down to less than 200, and then throw in some cold days, I could be at less than 150. I don't think I can deal with that.
 
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I've heard a lot of good words about The Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 PLUS - probably no one here had them and Pilot Sport for direct comparison, but maybe it's still possible to compare?
I personally chose the Continental DWS 06 Plus, and love the quiet, handling, and traction on my GTPE. Tire Rack did a comparison test of four tires including the Continental and the Michelin in 2021: Tire Test Results : Testing Premium Ultra High Performance All-Season Tires 2021 (tirerack.com) .
 

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I personally chose the Continental DWS 06 Plus, and love the quiet, handling, and traction on my GTPE. Tire Rack did a comparison test of four tires including the Continental and the Michelin in 2021: Tire Test Results : Testing Premium Ultra High Performance All-Season Tires 2021 (tirerack.com) .
Here are the results from people who have actually bought the tires, also from tire rack.

Minor differences between the four choices.

OP kept a factory size 225/55/19 103 and the Pilot Sport All Season 4 is the only one of these 4 available in that size and therefore the best choice in this category and that size. The chart is the same for 245/50/19 and these are not made in a MME 18" fitment

Ford Mustang Mach-E What a Difference New Tires Make -- Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 tires Screenshot 2023-02-20 231854
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