Autoevolution MachE GT Drag Race - Try not to cry

[DevSecOps]

... But really, practically, how much does this power limit impact your ability to enjoy the car? Did you buy it with the intention of tracking it on weekends? If so then you deserve sympathy. But short of that I don't see the point of repeatedly bringing it up as an issue at this point. We all know about it, it is what it is ...

It doesn't impact me at all in daily driving. For me it's an issue of what I was sold didn't meet the expectations set forth in marketing the vehicle. I waited over a year for the GTPE to come out and held off on a non-GT model. Aside from that, the main reason I posted the article was because I felt that the "boost mode" was something I had never seen before. It wasn't really about the 5 second limit. Ford, to my knowledge has never come out and said anything about the 5 second limit. So to see it labeled as such was something I hadn't seen before and I'm really wondering if the marketing is going to swing in that direction.

I originally planned on taking the car on a track from time to time as my dad is part of Porsche club of America that gets access to tracks all over. I also have quite a few connections at Laguna Seca as I went to racing school there. That being said, I haven't taken it. I prefer to just use one of my dad's cars.

My honest opinion of the MME GT line is that it's an embarrassment and quite frankly more of a mid-life crisis car than a performance Mustang. I know everyone has their own opinion in that regard, but I think a lot of people had their hopes up of a more performance oriented vehicle.

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[mlhunt856]

It doesn't impact me at all in daily driving. For me it's an issue of what I was sold didn't meet the expectations set forth in marketing the vehicle. I waited over a year for the GTPE to come out and held off on a non-GT model. Aside from that, the main reason I posted the article was because I felt that the "boost mode" was something I had never seen before. It wasn't really about the 5 second limit. Ford, to my knowledge has never come out and said anything about the 5 second limit. So to see it labeled as such was something I hadn't seen before and I'm really wondering if the marketing is going to swing in that direction.

I originally planned on taking the car on a track from time to time as my dad is part of Porsche club of America that gets access to tracks all over. I also have quite a few connections at Laguna Seca as I went to racing school there. That being said, I haven't taken it. I prefer to just use one of my dad's cars.

My honest opinion of the MME GT line is that it's an embarrassment and quite frankly more of a mid-life crisis car than a performance Mustang. I know everyone has their own opinion in that regard, but I think a lot of people had their hopes up of a more performance oriented vehicle.

All fair. I bought a GT because I fell in love with my wife's Premium and I just wanted something a little quicker, and liked the Alcanterra-esque upholstery and trim and thought the car sat and would probably drive better on wider lower profile wheels. I wasn't really expecting a true performance car and figured the noise Ford was making in that regard was just Marketing being Marketing. So I don't feel cheated. I can see how having different expectations might change your feelings around the issue.

 

[BigMach-E]

I don’t feel cheated, I knew well what I was getting. It’s still disappointing. I just still think Ford could have and should have done better. I hope they listen to the folks who supported this car and this brand and this move to electrification. I know it’s unlikely to change anything for the people who already have a GTPE. All that being said, I prefer the creature comforts (kto liftgate, BC, wireless car play, motorized seats) and the range that the car has as opposed to the Kia EV6 GT. Just wish that Ford opened up the performance of the car just a bit, and still vainly hope that they might.

 

[BigMach-E]

Certainly a plausible scenario. But even if true what's the end game here? Do you think that keeping attention on the issue will make Ford take steps to redress it by say shipping a firmware fix? Given the HVBJB issue I find this extremely unlikely.

That’s the hope. Albeit highly unlikely. And redress is the perfect word for it, it’s a failing of the car to live up to the expectations that Ford set.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I think the sting of the non disclosed 5sec limitation is the lack of readily available alternatives last 2 years. A lot of us put or deposit/order down and waited for the GT. By the time we found out about the 5sec limits, our choices were limited to cancel the order and wait another 6-12 months for a different car or accept the 5sec limit. If I knew about the 5 sec limit, I would of bought a bmw i4 instead. But after waiting 6 months, I couldn't start all over and wait another 6 months for the i4.

 

[JoeDimwit]

Hey Todd, are you in the “it’s the bus bars, and nothing can be done” camp, or the “the 5 second limit is just a tad too conservative, Ford could eek out a few more seconds of full power with a software change and little harm is likely” camp?

I’m an industrial electrician, and have spent some time around DC motors. My guess is that they don’t have enough cooling to the motors, and are concerned about heat soaking the motors.
That’s why I had high hopes that Shelby would figure out a way to redo the cooling and make more power for longer. I mean, the Lightning gets full power basically forever…

 

[agoldman]

neverthless I'm still happy with my GT purchase and pefer the styling to the Premium version and it's still darn fast.

 

[blkadr08]

It's a slow news day. No surprise the 5 second limit kills the car.

What I find interesting about the article is how they claim that the five second limit is actually a "boost mode". I'm wondering if this is how Ford plans on spinning this into a benefit rather than a limit.

Here's the article:

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...r-then-drags-bmw-x4-m-competition-214960.html

Here's the video:

It’s no wonder ICE Mustang owners are pissed that Ford callied these cars Mustangs.

 

[Mach1E]

It doesn't impact me at all in daily driving. For me it's an issue of what I was sold didn't meet the expectations set forth in marketing the vehicle. I waited over a year for the GTPE to come out and held off on a non-GT model. Aside from that, the main reason I posted the article was because I felt that the "boost mode" was something I had never seen before. It wasn't really about the 5 second limit. Ford, to my knowledge has never come out and said anything about the 5 second limit. So to see it labeled as such was something I hadn't seen before and I'm really wondering if the marketing is going to swing in that direction.

I originally planned on taking the car on a track from time to time as my dad is part of Porsche club of America that gets access to tracks all over. I also have quite a few connections at Laguna Seca as I went to racing school there. That being said, I haven't taken it. I prefer to just use one of my dad's cars.

My honest opinion of the MME GT line is that it's an embarrassment and quite frankly more of a mid-life crisis car than a performance Mustang. I know everyone has their own opinion in that regard, but I think a lot of people had their hopes up of a more performance oriented vehicle.

The 5 second thing is for sure embarrassing.

But I wouldn’t call the car as a whole an embarrassment.

People forget how amazing the braking and handling are. Right near the best for any performance SUV.

And the 1/8th mile it’s among the fastest SUVs on the planet.

Gotta give credit where due still. Had Ford just “finished the job” and give us power delivery like the Lightning….

 

[RKinWA]

The 5 second rule and the fact it loses to everyone (probably even a riding lawnmower) on the 1/4 mile bothered me in the beginning, until I remembered I didn't buy my MME to race anyone and all that mattered to me was the style and comfort. Now it doesn't bother me anymore. ?

However, that's not to say it is ridiculous the GT and GTPE are marketed as electric muscle cars.

 

[Auto Motive]

But based on the video above, both the KIA and Genesis beats the GTPE off the line too.

Regarding your the MY LR, you should buy the acceleration boost, well worth the 2k.

I would but thats my wifes new car. She gave me the GTPE. I am in heaven, red lite to red lite that is.

 

[Johnny572]

It's a slow news day. No surprise the 5 second limit kills the car.

What I find interesting about the article is how they claim that the five second limit is actually a "boost mode". I'm wondering if this is how Ford plans on spinning this into a benefit rather than a limit.

Here's the article:

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...r-then-drags-bmw-x4-m-competition-214960.html

Here's the video:

They had it in unbridled extended mode……..that slows it even more than normal.

 

[RedOctobrrr]

But I wouldn’t call the car as a whole an embarrassment.

People forget how amazing the braking and handling are. Right near the best for any performance SUV.

The... handling? Of the Mach E? lol it's crap. My 2003 Infiniti FX35 felt like it was on rails compared to this thing.

As for acceleration, I can't speak much to that as I have an AWD Select and it's plenty bang for my buck at the entry level price point and this thing's almost as fast as my old modified Evo X... but it certainly is an embarrassment of a performance vehicle when you look at the broader market.

 

[Mach1E]

The... handling? Of the Mach E? lol it's crap. My 2003 Infiniti FX35 felt like it was on rails compared to this thing.

As for acceleration, I can't speak much to that as I have an AWD Select and it's plenty bang for my buck at the entry level price point and this thing's almost as fast as my old modified Evo X... but it certainly is an embarrassment of a performance vehicle when you look at the broader market.

Of the GTPE.

It pulls .99 G on the skidpad.

Go ahead and google the list of SUVs that do better than that, then try telling me it’s “an embarrassment” when you see where it fits on the list.

Source-
https://www.edmunds.com/amp/car-news/track-tested-2022-ford-mustang-mach-e-gt.html

Actually I googled it for you.

According to Motortrend, only ONE SUV had a higher skidpad- the Lamborghini Urus. Yeah the list is from 2020, right before the GTPE came out.

Here is their list-
https://www.motortrend.com/features/best-handling-suvs-and-crossovers/amp/

“Sorting our database for model years 2018 to now, only 14 out of 231 SUVs we've tested are capable of cornering at 0.90 g's or more (0.6 percent).”


Best-Handling SUVs By Maximum Grip

Vehicle	Lateral g
Lamborghini Urus	1.01
Porsche Cayenne Turbo	0.98
Mercedes-AMG GLC 63S 4Matic+ Coupe	0.96
BMW X3 M Competition	0.95
Porsche Cayenne	0.95
Porsche Macan S	0.94
BMW X2 xDrive28i	0.94
Mercedes-AMG GLE 63S 4Matic+	0.93
Alfa Romeo Stelvio Q4 (Quadrifoglio)	0.93
Bentley Bentayga Speed	0.93
Jaguar I-Pace EV400 First Edition	0.93
Volvo XC60 Polestar	0.92
BMW X2 xDrive 28i	0.92
Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk	0.9

 

[BigMach-E]

I’m honestly just waiting for something Ford should have done already or should do: figure out a way to give us 7-8 seconds full power, then power limit. That way it wouldn’t be hard embarrassment against all the other performance EVs. We might lose on a quarter to most performance EVs out there still, but at least it wouldn’t be by 8 car lengths. Ford wasn’t first to market with a performance spec EV SUV (That goes to Tesla), and now the other OEMs are starting to eat Ford’s lunch.

The Polestar 2 Performance smokes it in a quarter, the Tesla MYP and M3P, the EV6 GT, the Ionic 5 N will most likely. The reasons one would even think MME GTPE are getting less and less. It’s a great all arounder, but soon will be eclipsed on every front. It would just be nice if it wasn’t a dog above 75-80, cutting power by half.

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