Model S/Model X prices heavily discounted *again*

[SWO]

There is absolutely nothing sad about this, the vehicle manufacturers have been sticking it to the American consumer and now they are having to be more reasonable in pricing, this is a win win for everyone!

Telsa's business model succeeding is not good if you're a car enthusiast, IMO. They're leading the charge towards vehicles becoming disposable electronic devices and their margins as they scale up speak to it. The MY in particular, with its non-servicable battery pack and unrepairable crash structure "gigacastings" doesn't bode well for the future of the auto industry.

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[ARK]

Telsa's business model succeeding is not good if you're a car enthusiast, IMO. They're leading the charge towards vehicles becoming disposable electronic devices and their margins as they scale up speak to it. The MY in particular, with its non-servicable battery pack and unrepairable crash structure "gigacastings" doesn't bode well for the future of the auto industry.

I agree that I don’t like this idea of having a few models with the same colors year after year. We don’t need cars to be like phones where between iPhone, Samsung, and Google is like 90% of the market.

 

[nvabill]

Telsa's business model succeeding is not good if you're a car enthusiast, IMO. They're leading the charge towards vehicles becoming disposable electronic devices and their margins as they scale up speak to it. The MY in particular, with its non-servicable battery pack and unrepairable crash structure "gigacastings" doesn't bode well for the future of the auto industry.

In all seriousness don't you think with the rapid advancement of technology and EV's in particular that all EV's are basically wear out and throw away? I mean they are basically computers on wheels and who wants a several year old computer? ?

 

[ARK]

In all seriousness don't you think with the rapid advancement of technology and EV's in particular that all EV's are basically wear out and throw away? I mean they are basically computers on wheels and who wants a several year old computer? ?

I think this computer on wheels thing is very much exaggerated, another one of those Tesla statements that has gone mainstream with widespread acceptance cause it sounds catchy.

But EVs are still cars and are still used for transportation. Unless we transition to mostly sitting in our cars to handle Zoom calls and exiting when the call is done instead of using them to physically go places, it's just a set of wheels that now happens to have a computer inside, not some kind of computer on wheels.

 

[nvabill]

I think this computer on wheels thing is very much exaggerated, another one of those Tesla statements that has gone mainstream with widespread acceptance cause it sounds catchy.

But EVs are still cars and are still used for transportation. Unless we transition to mostly sitting in our cars to handle Zoom calls and exiting when the call is done instead of using them to physically go places, it's just a set of wheels that now happens to have a computer inside, not some kind of computer on wheels.

Maybe to a certain extent it has been exaggerated but with the rapid advancement of technology the ratio of computer to mechanical functions of the modern automobile has never been higher. This is especially true for a modern EV so I stand by my statement, in my opinion of course. Bottom line, sit back and watch where the used values of EV's go in the years to come.

 

[4sallypat]

In all seriousness don't you think with the rapid advancement of technology and EV's in particular that all EV's are basically wear out and throw away? I mean they are basically computers on wheels and who wants a several year old computer? ?

Yes, I remember back in the 1980's working as a motion picture electronics engineer and being able to repair circuit boards down to the component level.

Then 10 years later, surface mount technology, single programmable EPROM chips with multi layer copper circuits came out - essentially dissuading you from repairing them - just made sense to toss it and put in whole new circuit board.

 

[nvabill]

Yes, I remember back in the 1980's working as a motion picture electronics engineer and being able to repair circuit boards down to the component level.

Then 10 years later, surface mount technology, single programmable EPROM chips with multi layer copper circuits came out - essentially dissuading you from repairing them - just made sense to toss it and put in whole new circuit board.

Makes me think about TV's, wear it out and throw it away.

 

[SWO]

In all seriousness don't you think with the rapid advancement of technology and EV's in particular that all EV's are basically wear out and throw away? I mean they are basically computers on wheels and who wants a several year old computer? ?

Only if you care about having the latest tech, IMO.

Don't you find it troubling that on a MY, the repair procedure for a bad $20k(?) part is to replace it and recycle the old part? Oh yeah, and to get to that part, you remove the whole interior:

https://insideevs.com/news/587147/tesla-structural-battery-pack-removal-replacement/

But, it makes them easier to assemble, which equals higher profit margins.

 

[nvabill]

Only if you care about having the latest tech, IMO.

Don't you find it troubling that on a MY, the repair procedure for a bad $20k(?) part is to replace it and recycle the old part? Oh yeah, and to get to that part, you remove the whole interior:

https://insideevs.com/news/587147/tesla-structural-battery-pack-removal-replacement/

But, it makes them easier to assemble, which equals higher profit margins.

Hence why EV's are going to be more disposable than their ICE counterparts. IMO

 

[Auto Motive]

The real seismic event will be the next round of model 3 / Y discounts... rumored to be an additional 10-15%. [again, Tesla is using the Model T playbook... de-content and reduce mfg cost to put price pressure on everyone else]

used prices of all EVs will follow, and we will see what happens to other new prices.

Bought a model y in April delivered Apr 30 MSRP $72550 our cost $53000 minus tax credit. Its awd long range. Great ev but I still like my GTPE better.

 

[KevinS]

Hence why EV's are going to be more disposable than their ICE counterparts. IMO

Companies in China are already ahead of the curve with their ability to battery-swap. Other manufacturers are going to have to modularize like this if they want to have any resale value. The market will insist on it.

 

[Thor2j]

Ouch to the people who bought a Model X at the start of the year - that’s a $41,000 price drop, actually $48,500 if you consider the federal tax credit too.

EDIT: Fixed the math error.

I would assume most model X buyers don't qualify for the tax credit.

 

[Thor2j]

Geez. $90k for a Model X plaid?

Gets a guy thinking for sure. ? Could pick my kids up at school in an SUV that’s faster than any Ferrari.

There are at least 2 Ferraris that I know of that are faster 0-60 then the X plaid. SF90 and La Ferrari.

 

[4sallypat]

I would assume most model X buyers don't qualify for the tax credit.

Hmm probably correct when it was $120K price tag. But now it's under the $80K limit so more people can get the credit....

OTOH I was able to take full tax credit on a $70K '22 Lightning ($7500) this year and next year will be taking it on a $53K '23 MME ($3750).

 

[duncanator]

For those of you who own a Mach-e, would you buy it again today knowing the price difference between that and a Tesla? I have been looking at purchasing an extended range premium but cannot understand why I would buy that when they are 10k more than a Model Y. I like the Mach-e more, but would only choose it if it were the same price. Dealers in my area have, at last count, 32 on the lot and more in an overflow lot and yet they won't budge off of MSRP. I am patient and can wait it out but it just seems odd that there's little to no interest in cutting a deal. It could be that they don't think I'm interested enough to bother with, but I am if given the right incentive.

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