Thanks for the memories...

[Shaggyrn]

Everyone has a limit. Sorry to see you leave. I personally love the car have went on multiple 700+ mile road trips in summer and winter. (On one now) had the relay replaced last spring after a ssn. No issues. Maintenance on the car is super cheap. The only "expensive" Maintenance was new tires at 60000 miles. ( you have to do with ice also) rolling at 71000 miles and counting.

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[rmillis]

I have a 2022 Premium AWD and haven't had a single issue since I picked it up from the dealership in April of 2022. I'm personally not concerned with Ford fixing the issue, but it's a hassle for sure.

 

[jamelski]

Bye Felicia good riddens

 

[Trax]

First, this has been an amazing forum for information, conversation and sharing ideas regarding the Mach-E. I have enjoyed my time on this forum for the past 3 years - thank you!

I am selling my 2021 CR1 to Carvana today. After receiving another notice of recall (HVBJB), this one broke me. I am not comfortable with the battery being removed, unsealed and then reassembled. Having the windshield and panorama glass roof removed for resealing was stressful enough.

I have enjoyed the car the last 3 years and hope that the new owner enjoys it just as much, if not more.

All my best!

I get it. Understandable. But we all want to know is A) What is Carvana giving you for it lol and B) What are you thinking of getting next?

I can picture some bright entrepreneur coming along and designing an EV with a power pack that sits midway in the vehicle like a Corvette C8 engine. You can open some sort of panel, undo the connectors, and easily remove it or upgrade it with a longer-range version as the technology improves. Have cheap, dent-resistant, composite panels and bumpers like the Smart car that can be easily replaced when damaged. The type of company that doesn't mind the vehicle lasting a long time rather than being an overpriced disposable commodity.

This 100%. To me why would you even think to make removing a battery on an EV difficult. Sure I get the greed aspect but that doesn't track with also needing to service the car. I work for manufacturers and trust me, service and warranty are HUGE investments and all companies have a plan on how to honor the warranty and limit the cost severely. In fact most product designs that I have worked on have an entire section on "serviceable features" to limit the cost of fixing, replacing or refurbishment the product for possible resale recoop cost. Think about how many times you have sent a product in for warranty repair only to just receive a whole new one. Usually what happens is your original product is deconstructed and resold as certified refurbished to ofset the cost of the service center. But this issue is not just Ford, Ive seen a lot of other EV cars suffer the same issue. To me it doesnt make sense. Maybe its a manufacturing limitation or possibly even a safety protocol for these cars that in fact makes it so it HAS to be difficult to get to the battery. That at least I could understand. But I have not seen any documentation to that effect.

 

[A-A-Ron]

To me why would you even think to make removing a battery on an EV difficult.

It has nothing to do with greed - it has to do with your EV battery being well over 1000lbs, the approximate volume of a twin mattress, and the need to handle instantaneous power loads larger than your house while being water, dirt and weather proof in a high vibration environment while still meeting structural and crash loads.

Ford would gladly make removing this easier if they could - it'd save them a fortune in warranty work. They don't make more money if it's hard to service, even if there was a profitable market in battery replacement, more complex jobs just require more labor hours and more equipment, where's the profit in making it more expensive?

 

[milepost1]

Never designed to be replaced? Battery unsealed?

Just like 12v will never need a jump. So ok if harder than hell to get to.

 

[A-A-Ron]

Is this fact, or are you projecting?

I'm projecting - as an engineer with 2 decades working at aerospace manufacturers and one of my masters degrees in industrial engineering. I can guarantee maintainability is part of Ford's engineering process and balanced against all of the other design considerations. I can also guarantee that "let's make this more complex because we're greedy" isn't.

 

[Eagertrader]

Going into two years on my GT and yet, not a single issue.

 

[Auto Motive]

Let me, respectfully, ask you this: What is the longest amount of time and mileage that Ford is willing to warranty the MME?

For example, on my 2022 Super Duty F350 diesel, I got eight years and 175,000 miles. And I think the year thing could have been longer than that. If you can't get similar coverage for an EV, what does that say about it?

New ev tech will come to age as did computers and smart phones. My new 2005 Hyundai Elantra fully optioned stickered for $14500 with a $2500 rebate. 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty cost $900. In 100000 miles 2 wheel bearings, rusted sub frame [recall] and at 98000 starter. Lots of lite bulbs all covered. Great commuter car ever.

 

[Auto Motive]

Where you reckon we are in computer terms? Commodore 64? Amiga 500? 286? 386? I'm not willing to say Pentium.

Tech terms is based on in house or third party. I worked for big steel initiating the
largest tech development in US installing 350 terminals in our HQ in Pittsburgh in 70s for our Order Entry dept. It was a inhouse venture with tons of new computer programmers. Oracle 7 was the softwsre supplier. Now today Ford has three outside firms working on software. As Farley noted ota wasnt going as smooth because of this problem. Remember Munro live said Ford had either over engineered or didnt consider thermal heat transfer as we see on latest recall. Too many parts, wires curcuits etc and manufacturing in house will streamline operational parts. Produce them better at lower costs. Hopefully its in all future models.

 

[Trax]

It has nothing to do with greed - it has to do with your EV battery being well over 1000lbs, the approximate volume of a twin mattress, and the need to handle instantaneous power loads larger than your house while being water, dirt and weather proof in a high vibration environment while still meeting structural and crash loads.

Ford would gladly make removing this easier if they could - it'd save them a fortune in warranty work. They don't make more money if it's hard to service, even if there was a profitable market in battery replacement, more complex jobs just require more labor hours and more equipment, where's the profit in making it more expensive?

I think you misunderstood my comment. I agree with you. I was responding to someone else who was talking about it being greed. As I said, I work for manufacturing companies. There is no reason a company would make something difficult to service unless A) there really is no other safe efficent way to build the product OR because of some protocol that must be followed. Batteries are heavy but doesnt mean it needs to be hard to remove. I suspect it has to do with something about safety protocols because from what I have been reading, ALL EVs suffer a difficult job to remove and replace the battery.

 

[Logal727]

The repair isn't all the involved, I watched that one guy from Weber Auto do it all by himself and he's in a motorized wheelchair!

 

[azerik]

ALL EVs suffer a difficult job to remove and replace the battery.

Except all those in China doing battery swaps. I think theres 3 cars that can do it now lol. /joking. But it'll get there.

 

[JamesStew71]

Sayanara! This is the BEST car I have ever owned in 50 years. I love everything about it after 18 months and 26,000 miles! I haven't had a single problem with it! 2022 Premium, Extended Range, RWD.

Us too, 22 shadow black rwd standard, not a problem- I do wish ford would stop with the updates!!!!

 

[GreaseMonkey]

I'll agree with this, but unless you were part of the engineering team for the vehicle and sat in on the high-level huddle discussions, you're projecting the rest based on your credentials.

I can attest to what @A-A-Ron is saying. I used to run these workshops for a domestic OEM and can tell you for certain that these companies have departments full of engineers whose sole purpose in life is Design for Manufacturing / Maintainability.

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