Need new brakes at 28,000 miles

[tuminatr]

Thanks. I turned off the annoying brake coach but when it was on it always said 100 percent capture. My biggest issue is the service tech telling me it’s a myth that EV’s get longer brake life. That’s why I was asking.

In most cases, the breaks on an EV should last longer. So either a defect or driving style has caused them to be worn at 28K

This is the problem.

Did you ACTUALLY need new brakes? Make them show you the measurements (may be too late though).

Last month my assistant went to her Honda dealership for an oil change and wanted me to review their recommendations-

New wipers
New air filter
New cabin air filter
New tires
New brakes and rotors

Thousands of dollars. Surprised they didn’t tell her she needed a “new car.”

Her wipers wiped fine, air filters not dirty. Tires nowhere near the markers, probably 10-15k miles left on them, brakes not squeaking and rotors were smooth.

The shops are trained to tell people to replace things at 50% life……. Which is utter bullspit.

Hate to say it but you may be right

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[Hammered]

Thanks. I turned off the annoying brake coach but when it was on it always said 100 percent capture. My biggest issue is the service tech telling me it’s a myth that EV’s get longer brake life. That’s why I was asking.

EVs get substantially longer brake life. The issue is when the brakes don't actually get used. I use 1pd unbridle exclusively and always make a point to brake late at regular intervals. Without using the brakes, the rotors begin to rust and rust and rust more. They should program in regular friction cleaning, but they seem to just expect you to encounter the usual idiots necessitating friction engagement.

 

[AliRafiee]

You might have a stuck caliper.
My 2011 Mustang went through a left rear in less than 12000 miles. It was fine for 10 years after I replaced all the rear pads.

My LEAF still had the original pads when I sold it with 90K miles.

When you brake the car automatically uses regen unless it needs the extra stopping power. Hard braking.

 

[Mach1E]

I know there is a problem somewhere. I bought it in for a squeaking and banging sound on the drivers side. If it is the brakes then I have no choice. I just think they are going to fix the brakes and not the problem. Could the regen not be working correctly? Could the calipers be defective? What would cause squeaks and bangs?

It did happen after driving in terrible rain and multiple puddles. Could the breaking system malfunction in wet conditions?

At this point after the high voltage sensor taking the car out of commission for a week and 2 weeks later this, I’m starting to think it’s time to trade it in for a Rivian. Ford isn’t up to the EV game yet

Every time my brakes get wet then I sit for a while they get rusty. Especially if I drive in the rain and sit in the garage overnight.

They stick, make grinding noises, etc. but it’s totally normal.

The fix I do is very simple- force the car to use the brakes to clean them off.

Drive 35 mph- put the car in neutral, moderately hit the brakes. Repeat.

This knocks the surface rust off.

 

[Vmar21MME4x]

I spoke to the service department and they said they are aware of the TSB’s on the brakes and this isn’t one of them which I find BS.

I have honestly lost count of how many Fords I have owned in the last 30 years but this is the tipping point. I currently own the MME and 2 Explorers and I’m not coming back after this. One of my Explorers goes back in March and I was going to get a Bronco but I’ll now get a Jeep. The other Explorer has a year left and I’ll get the Grand Cherokee. As far as the MME, I own that so I’ll trade it in for a Rivian. Good job Ford. I also own thousands of shares and stock and I’ll get rid of that as well. I have sworn by this company for years but it seems like Jim Farley was glad advertisement.

 

[Vmar21MME4x]

I know it seems extreme for a $1150 bill but it’s principle with me. This car has been in for something 4 times in under a year and the service departments at 2 different dealerships don’t have any idea or don’t want to work on these cars.

 

[Vmar21MME4x]

What kind of extended warranty would you need in 23 months? The car isn’t even 2 years old.

 

[Teslaeata]

1-pedal shouldn't make any difference at all unless you are constantly mashing the brake pedal.

FWIW, I have 30.5k miles and 2.5 years on mine, use engage and almost never in 1-pedal mode, my pads are fine.

73,000 miles up and treated as a works van, always OPD but still find myself braking sometimes?

Brakes are just fine.

I usually sold my cars at around 140,000 miles before brakes are even half worn.

 

[Teslaeata]

People will cringe at my saying this, but these endless threads about failures or premature failures are great sales advertisements for extended warranties and maintenance plans.

Never bought one in my life. I underwrite all those kind of losses and feel I’m well in credit?

 

[Teslaeata]

This is the problem.

Did you ACTUALLY need new brakes? Make them show you the measurements (may be too late though).

Last month my assistant went to her Honda dealership for an oil change and wanted me to review their recommendations-

New wipers
New air filter
New cabin air filter
New tires
New brakes and rotors

Thousands of dollars. Surprised they didn’t tell her she needed a “new car.”

Her wipers wiped fine, air filters not dirty. Tires nowhere near the markers, probably 10-15k miles left on them, brakes not squeaking and rotors were smooth.

The shops are trained to tell people to replace things at 50% life……. Which is utter bullspit.

Agreed, it’s an upsell and often used with the veiled threat of safety.

These “free” vehicle health checks done when you go there for the most minor thing are as much for the dealer’s benefit than the owner’s, I am convinced of that!!!!

 

[T.S.]

I never use 1PD and like coasting and using the brake pedal .. the Mach-e does an excellent job of using regen almost every time I use the brake and only uses the Brembo brakes when I have to stop really quick, which is rare. 1PD driving might provide better efficiency because it encourages slower starts and stops (like a lawn mower), but should have nothing to do with the friction brake usage.

Slower starts? Damn...I use 1PD all the time and was thrilled with how my pony takes off.

Interestingly though, the dealer had to pick up my car to do some updates, and when it was returned, they left it in the driveway. When I went to put it in the garage, I almost drive through it because they had taken it out of 1PD and didn't tell me. I don't think it was that it took off so much faster than that I was unprepared for it, i.e., wasn't stepping on the brake pedal.

 

[tannerk89]

I know it seems extreme for a $1150 bill but it’s principle with me. This car has been in for something 4 times in under a year and the service departments at 2 different dealerships don’t have any idea or don’t want to work on these cars.

Unless they’re saying you need new rotors and pads $1100 for brake pads is insane. It takes all of 20 mins of labor to do all 4 wheels and is on the order of $160 in parts for good pads.

Your brakes should not get worn out on an EV for over 100k miles. Haven’t touched mine and I have 80k miles, basically full pad thickness with the same pads it came out of the factory with.

However, a common issue with EVs and Hybrids is that due to regen the pads don’t generate enough heat to drive out moisture. This can lead to freeze thaw that separates the friction material from the pad. It will make clunking noises, grinding noises, and the friction material will essentially disintegrate rapidly if it’s separated from the pad. That’s most likely what happaebed to your brakes. If it damaged the rotors or calipers too then the bill seems legit, if it’s just pads, find a new garage that aren’t crooks.

 

[Mach1E]

I spoke to the service department and they said they are aware of the TSB’s on the brakes and this isn’t one of them which I find BS.

I have honestly lost count of how many Fords I have owned in the last 30 years but this is the tipping point. I currently own the MME and 2 Explorers and I’m not coming back after this. One of my Explorers goes back in March and I was going to get a Bronco but I’ll now get a Jeep. The other Explorer has a year left and I’ll get the Grand Cherokee. As far as the MME, I own that so I’ll trade it in for a Rivian. Good job Ford. I also own thousands of shares and stock and I’ll get rid of that as well. I have sworn by this company for years but it seems like Jim Farley was glad advertisement.

You may be throwing the baby out with the bath water.

If you’re willing to switch brands over a bad service experience, you definitely won’t be happy with Chrysler. And where do you even get a Rivian serviced?

The short answer for Rivian is……. Not a lot of places-

https://rivian.com/support/article/where-are-rivian-service-centers-located

For me in Florida, there are only two to choose from. Most states only have one or ZERO! ?

 

[4sallypat]

..... a common issue with EVs and Hybrids is that due to regen the pads don’t generate enough heat to drive out moisture. This can lead to freeze thaw that separates the friction material from the pad. It will make clunking noises, grinding noises, and the friction material will essentially disintegrate rapidly if it’s separated from the pad. That’s most likely what happaebed to your brakes. If it damaged the rotors or calipers too then the bill seems legit, if it’s just pads, find a new garage that aren’t crooks.

This ^^^ is 100% correct.

Depending on the area & climate that it's driven, freezing cold, salted roads, lots of rain, potholes, etc can all lead to warped rotors and uneven pad wear / destruction.

I am lucky to be in warm, dry, sunny Southern Calif and we don't have these issues.

Expecting my MME brakes to last at least 60K miles.

My wife's PHEV is 5 years old, 55,000 miles and the brakes are still less than half worn due to regen.

 

[serenityx66]

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I do not disagree with what the system was designed to do. However, driving style plays a large part. The fact that the poster has a set that wore out at 28k indicates that either something is wrong with his breaking system or he is an aggressive braker and is engaging the friction brakes much more often than most of us.

It could also indicate that the poster drives very gentle. If so the rotors could get rusty and would need to be turned usually the pads also get replaced.

With 1pd turned on most EV drivers coast to a stop with it turned off the driver engages the system and likely in this case is engaging the friction brakes.

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