Ford has huge inventory of Mach E

[leeman]

I read another report yesterday that Ford motor company has been suffering from electrifying . It seems that there is now almost a years worth of inventory for the Mach E . This is sad news for folks that have paid high dollar amounts for their cars now that they have started to discount them I have been monitoring a local dealer and in the last three months they've sold two and still have over 50 in stock. I've also noticed that if the lightning vehicles are getting purchased. I wonder what this means for electric vehicles in general. My thoughts are that if they don't reduce the battery size by half and have a sustainable infrastructure for charging quickly it seems that a lot of these vehicles will end up on the scrap heap. I came to this conclusion after seeing thousands of Teslas it look like they weren't even damaged but we're totaled I guess if a car gets hit just right in the suspension next to the battery pan they basically totaled the car cause it's too expensive to fix this leaves thousands of cars for parts which I guess is good and bad although most manufactures will not warranty parts that are not originally manufactured or replaced with new if they are certified refurbished they still won't warranty them the company that certified them would but their warranty is generally a lot less than the manufacturer warranty what do they do with all these cars do they sit and rock or does somebody actually know what to do with them other than taking the motors out and electrifying VW's etc.

Moreover rental car companies are now returning their electric vehicles complaining that customers aren't renting them and their high repairs etc. is making them not a viable rental option. This coming directly from I believe Hertz.

The other thing I've noticed is here in California they had what they call a diamond lane which means if you were a environmentally friendly vehicle you could drive in those lanes unfortunately capitalism has stepped in and now made a lot of these roads fast track. Which means that even if you are in a admire mentally friendly supposedly vehicle you have to cough up some form of payment to drive in these diamond lanes now call Fastrack this just happened in Orange County there are still many lanes to use but they are going to be disappearing overtime . This is one of the convenience functions of owning a environment friend friendly vehicle to be able to utilize time saving.

If there is no time savings or monetary savings knowing that most people won't drive these cars enough to make them carbon neutral for quite a while what is the real advantage of a battery power vehicle other than slapping your brain back in your skull?

I found that a lot of the technology is wonderful but I don't tend to watch videos in my car play games or want to sit in my car for a long period of time waiting for it to charge. That being said the other challenge of course is finding a charger that works and that you don't have to wait anywhere up to an hour hour and a half here in Orange County in LA to actually get your vehicle charged that's not to say that there are plenty of slow chargers but that just means you're better off charging at . The incentives that the government provides don't seem to be enough to make it viable everybody seems to be losing money the customer the people manufacturing it and the governments that are funding it they can't afford to. Does anybody have any thoughts on this to why they are a viable alternative they've tried this so many times before and through marketing they've got a few of us but I don't know if that reality that they have pushed is real.

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[thekat03]

I read another report yesterday that Ford motor company has been suffering from electrifying . It seems that there is now almost a years worth of inventory for the Mach E . This is sad news for folks that have paid high dollar amounts for their cars now that they have started to discount them I have been monitoring a local dealer and in the last three months they've sold two and still have over 50 in stock. I've also noticed that if the lightning vehicles are getting purchased. I wonder what this means for electric vehicles in general. My thoughts are that if they don't reduce the battery size by half and have a sustainable infrastructure for charging quickly it seems that a lot of these vehicles will end up on the scrap heap. I came to this conclusion after seeing thousands of Teslas it look like they weren't even damaged but we're totaled I guess if a car gets hit just right in the suspension next to the battery pan they basically totaled the car cause it's too expensive to fix this leaves thousands of cars for parts which I guess is good and bad although most manufactures will not warranty parts that are not originally manufactured or replaced with new if they are certified refurbished they still won't warranty them the company that certified them would but their warranty is generally a lot less than the manufacturer warranty what do they do with all these cars do they sit and rock or does somebody actually know what to do with them other than taking the motors out and electrifying VW's etc.

Moreover rental car companies are now returning their electric vehicles complaining that customers aren't renting them and their high repairs etc. is making them not a viable rental option. This coming directly from I believe Hertz.

The other thing I've noticed is here in California they had what they call a diamond lane which means if you were a environmentally friendly vehicle you could drive in those lanes unfortunately capitalism has stepped in and now made a lot of these roads fast track. Which means that even if you are in a admire mentally friendly supposedly vehicle you have to cough up some form of payment to drive in these diamond lanes now call Fastrack this just happened in Orange County there are still many lanes to use but they are going to be disappearing overtime . This is one of the convenience functions of owning a environment friend friendly vehicle to be able to utilize time saving.

If there is no time savings or monetary savings knowing that most people won't drive these cars enough to make them carbon neutral for quite a while what is the real advantage of a battery power vehicle other than slapping your brain back in your skull?

I found that a lot of the technology is wonderful but I don't tend to watch videos in my car play games or want to sit in my car for a long period of time waiting for it to charge. That being said the other challenge of course is finding a charger that works and that you don't have to wait anywhere up to an hour hour and a half here in Orange County in LA to actually get your vehicle charged that's not to say that there are plenty of slow chargers but that just means you're better off charging at . The incentives that the government provides don't seem to be enough to make it viable everybody seems to be losing money the customer the people manufacturing it and the governments that are funding it they can't afford to. Does anybody have any thoughts on this to why they are a viable alternative they've tried this so many times before and through marketing they've got a few of us but I don't know if that reality that they have pushed is real.

How much is "a year's worth" of cars? Ford anticipated growth in demand for EVs. It has grown. Just not as fast as anticipated, so they are slowing down production to try to balance supply and demand better. In that time, interest rates have gone up as the fed has tried to slow inflation. It has slowed. The transition to more EVs on the roads is still happening, but the question is how fast or slow will it be.

 

[randomvoice]

The reality of the matter is, they're still expensive for an average American and with the interest rates and inflation, most people are hurting financially to splurge. The infrastructure just isn't there yet to support a wide scale electrification. Not everyone has a garage to charge these cars at home. The existing early adopter EV market seems saturated meaning they've already sold an EV to most folks who are really enthusiastic about the tech and can afford one.

So multiple factors working here against it. It isn't like Ford is the only company struggling. Everyone including Tesla are having to cut their prices down by a lot of keep up with their projections. I'm pretty sure even ICE car sales would be hit due to the current economic climate.

Personally for me, I hardly care. I paid for what I thought was worth it. I needed a second car and my office was calling me in for work twice a week. I keep my cars around for 5+ years so don't think the dropping resale is a big deal. Covid has skewed the perception of people when it comes to car. They were always a depreciating assets. Some depreciate quicker more than others.

 

[AKgrampy]

Well in a few years all you will be able. to purchase new in CA are BEV’s so at some point demand will catch back up.

 

[TheSteelRider]

If there is no time savings or monetary savings knowing that most people won't drive these cars enough to make them carbon neutral for quite a while what is the real advantage of a battery power vehicle other than slapping your brain back in your skull?

I listed these in a recent 'EV doom and gloom" thread

* How much extra for the option that makes the engine completely silent?
* How much extra for the option that eliminates the tailpipe and reduces the active emissions of the vehicle to 0?
* How much extra for the option for the upgraded gas tank that only has a capacity of about 2.5 US gallons, but still has a range of 300 miles?
* How much extra for the option that I can drive it home with the tank just being empty, go to sleep, and wake up in the morning with the gas tank magically full?
* How much for the "immortal brakes" option that makes the calipers, pads, and rotors last well over 100,000 miles without replacement?
* How much for the "lifetime no oil changes" option?
* How much for the option to eliminate the drive-shaft and create a flat floor?
* How much for the option of adding a frunk into the engine compartment for extra storage?
* How much for the option of upgrading to the "20 moving parts" engine from the "2000 moving parts" engine for hundreds of thousands of miles of potential reliability?

As a comparison about the intrinsic less-talked-about values of an EV vehicle vs. an ICE vehicle.

The EV community really needs to stop pushing cost or environment as the main reasons to buy an EV. Going on 3 years of ownership, those are the least on my list. All of the other awesome things I've discovered are significantly better.

I didn't realize how much "waking up to a full tank EVERY DAY" would change our lives. It sounds like a silly thing, but we literally wake up to a full tank 365 days / year. No more realizing on the way to work you have to pull over at a station and fill up, spilling gas all over yourself in the process.

 

[superdave80]

I never understood why Tesla and others were so eager to ramp up production of what is still somewhat of a niche market. It should have been obvious to anybody that there is only a certain market size for EVs. The multiple Tesla price cuts and MachEs sitting around show that.

 

[jdeve]

Caredge is showing just under 22,000 MY 23 Mach E's nationwide on dealer lots. The number has gone down maybe 1000 since black Friday when I started watching. In my area CarEdge is showing a 150 market day supply. That is based on how many sold over the last 45 days how long it will take to sell all of them if they don't get another. I checked a lot of areas and many have 300+ market day supplies. They still have a lot of the early 2023 job 1 builds with the higher base msrp's that they don't seem to want to deal. I am searching hard and the later job 2 builds I have found to have much better OTD offers. The tax incentive is no longer available and the Ford incentives are not much right now.

 

[superdave80]

No more realizing on the way to work you have to pull over at a station and fill up, spilling gas all over yourself in the process.

Not spilling gas on yourself during fillup is hands-down the worst reason to give to someone as to why they should switch from ICE to EV...

 

[jdeve]

Caredge is showing 688 MY 24's nationwide in dealer inventories.

 

[4sallypat]

Well in a few years all you will be able. to purchase new in CA are BEV’s so at some point demand will catch back up.

Crazy idea isn't it!

CA is supposed to go all EV by 2035.

How is that going to happen with the crappy public charge infrastructure ?

 

[corradoborg]

Crazy idea isn't it!

CA is supposed to go all EV by 2035.

How is that going to happen with the crappy public charge infrastructure ?

2035 is 11 years away. In less than that amount of time we went from not even having the ability to leave Earth's atmosphere to successfully landing on the Moon and coming back safely - and that was with a severe setback that stalled the program for a year.

The charging infrastructure of 2035 is not going to be what it is today. There will be advancements in both batteries and their charging, many of the current challenges will have been worked out, and a lot more chargers will be out there.

Also, "All EV by 2035" is bit misleading. California has planned to end the sale of gasoline-only vehicles in the state by 2035. That doesn't mean all vehicles operating in the state have to be EVs by then. People's existing gas vehicles won't just instantly disappear. They will continue to be used for decades. Gas stations will continue to operate. New plug-in hybrids will continue to be allowed, as they aren't "gasoline-only." There will also undoubtedly be exemptions that simply haven't been worked out yet, such as for tractor-trailers and vehicles used in heavy industry.

In reality, the 2035 "deadline" is just the the beginning of a gradual transition.

 

[Logal727]

Yet my servicing dealer never has an EV loaner.

 

[ChasingCoral]

I read another report yesterday that Ford motor company has been suffering from electrifying . It seems that there is now almost a years worth of inventory for the Mach E .

There is no question that Ford dealers now actually have inventory of EVs. However, many of these stories are clickbait, inaccurate, or intentionally deceptive. When folks post reports of such stories here, I really encourage you to include the text or a link to the story.

A classic example is the Hertz story. It is often spun that Hertz is dumping EVs. However, many of these have very high-mileage. Hertz also had. program to rent to Uber drivers and those cars are reaching the end of the qualifying mileage. You will find a thread that has discussed that story extensively.

Many media sources have anti-EV biases. Many just work hard to grab clicks and the story isn't nearly as exciting as the headline.

Please let folks judge for themselves.

 

[Deleted member 20140]

The MME, as well as all EVs, are great if you can live with their limitations. If someone asked me if they should buy an EV I would ask:
1. Do you have a place where you can charge overnight?
2. Do you need to take long trips?(several hundred miles)
3. If you need to take long trips do you also have an ICE vehicle?
4.Do you live in a real cold climate?
5.Do you live in a hilly area?

For me it is ideal. All my driving is local. If I have to take a long trip I also have an ICE vehicle.
I charge in my garage. If it gets cold its usually overnight and it warms up in the daytime. It is hilly but I can factor that in my estimated range. To me the one critical aspect is home charging.
That is just me. Someone in different circumstances might have to make a different decision.
In time, with the improvement of batteries and technology and a more reasonable price structure then the EVs will bloom.

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