Is Ford still in the denial stage or have we moved on the acceptance stage??

[NewGuy]

was it?

It’s gotta be.

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[NewGuy]

I am considering filing a suit against Ford for medical injuries I received by having to keep my head turned slightly to the right to see the speedometer but my left eye to the center to drive. I strained my eye connector ligament very badly.

You’d need a neck brace after driving a Mini.

 

[Blue PonyE]

Still waiting for conversion to air speed.

 

[Panzer948]

I use blue cruise all the time on my 22 (1.0 bluecruise) I have been thinking about this a lot. What sensor data is the car offering? Other than the green/red lines saying you Are not in the lane. Unlike tesla which is constantly giving you a visual of what is around you. even when blue cruise is activated there isn’t any useful data the screen is giving you. Personally they could get rid of the car icon and put the speed there or a ford logo for all that matter. There isn’t much relevant data that can be used in my opinion

Actually there is more info shown, atleast on my 2023. First is the indicator to see how many car lengths it will keep you behind the car in front of you (after hitting the button), 2nd it shows you if the computer is pulling you to the far right or far left of the lane, dependent upon a large object (truck, jersey barrier, etc) is in the next lane. I might be leaving something else out.

 

[HuntingPudel]

They made the placement consistent. Having a gauge that moves depending on what mode the car is in is bad design. <SNIP>

I agree with this, but… As @Kamuelaflyer said the speed indicator is obscured by the steering wheel. Also bad design. Somebody at Ford obviously hasn’t really tried to view the cluster from my perspective. If the moved it a little closer to the middle of the display that wouldn’t be an issue and I wouldn’t gripe about it. ?‍?

 

[dtbaker61]

I realize not everyone has blue cruise and lots of people "don't want to use the sensor data" but this isn't a legitimate argument because it's all meant for you to drive safer, having a speedometer in the middle of the display does not help as much as ....

? I would say that as a human driving my car, one of the more important things is seeing my ground speed front and central !

There are plenty of roads that I drive on where speed limit signs are few and far between, no lines on the road, variable conditions, and no car in front of me for adaptive cruise control to matter.

I don't have BC, I don't want it, and I wouldn't use it if you gave it to me. I hate the 'driver assist' alarms, especially the side and collision alerts that false-positive ding and blink and distract more than 'help'.

maybe, just maybe, the display can and should change depending what assistance you have on or off ?!

As a human driver, I want speed front and center, and other instrumentation like temperatures at key areas, and actual kW output/regen, and battery capacity remaining displayed in kWhr.

 

[dtbaker61]

Don't you people use bluecruise and lane centering?!?!

nope.....
never have and never will

 

[bbhaag]

I agree with this, but… As @Kamuelaflyer said the speed indicator is obscured by the steering wheel. Also bad design. Somebody at Ford obviously hasn’t really tried to view the cluster from my perspective. If the moved it a little closer to the middle of the display that wouldn’t be an issue and I wouldn’t gripe about it. ?‍?

I've been driving mine this way since I purchased it and the wheel has never blocked the speedometer. I'm curios what your perspective is and how it blocks your ability to see the speedometer?

 

[HOLOTYPE]

I agree with this, but… As @Kamuelaflyer said the speed indicator is obscured by the steering wheel. Also bad design. Somebody at Ford obviously hasn’t really tried to view the cluster from my perspective. If the moved it a little closer to the middle of the display that wouldn’t be an issue and I wouldn’t gripe about it. ?‍?

I’ve seen this mentioned a few times and starting to wonder is ‘obscured by the steering wheel’ a weak argument for something people dislike, or is your steering wheel actually broken and off to the side because I’ve tried moving my steering wheel every possible way and can see the speed just fine.

It’s a little off to the right, in a normal place compared to most cars you’ve owned before…. Definitely easier to see than, you know, small font in the upper left corner of the center screen. It’s fine.

I hope it’s true what one user said, that hopefully they will have increased functionality around the car at the center. Why not put cars around it to simulate what’s in your blind spot?

 

[Space_Pony]

It sounds like a lot of people paid thousands more for their car than they should have since they don't use the safety features that they paid for. If I didn't want features that I wouldn't use, I would find a different car that didn't have the features that were unwanted and pay less. I try to use everything I pay for.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

I do not have Bluecruise on my 22 standard GT. I have always had the car in the center. People say turn off lane centering and speed would be in the center. However, I don’t see a way to fully turn it off. All I see is Alert, Aid, or Alert and Aid options. I almost never have the aid turned on (button on steering wheel toggles it) but still always had car in the center. How to fully turn it off?

That all being said the speedometer on the right doesn’t bother me that much but I agree that the center would be preferable. And even better a customizable display.

Lane keeping is turned off on the steering wheel with the far left button. You also need the distance following option turned off, located elsewhere in the settings.

Still waiting for conversion to air speed.

That's easy, you just need your headwind or tailwind component. Getting that piece of information is another story.

It’s a little off to the right, in a normal place compared to most cars you’ve owned before…

No, and yes. It is a little off to the right. And if the steering wheel had more than an up or down adjustment it would be ok enough. Even my ancient and beat-up Tacoma has more than one steering wheel adjustment. In my case, I am 6' 1" (185.4 cm for those not living in the 3 backward countries that have not adopted the metric system), I also have long legs, even for a 6' 1" person. The steering wheel obscures the speed when it is full right. IMO though, regardless of all that, your automation status isn't the most paramount piece of information you need while driving your car.

A lot of people do not make full use of the ADAS capabilities of their cars. Some are uncomfortable with the automation. Some don't understand the automation and won't use it. Some just prefer to drive. Others can't make use of it because their roads don't meet the minimum specs for lane keeping (etc) to work.

Here's my situation, I generally like the MME lane-keeping and centering system – when it works. 98% of our roads have side stripes, just like in a real state. 98% of our roads have centerline striping, just like in real states. We have rumble strips on both the roadside lines and on the center line. My car's cameras and adas seem to be fine. My most frequent drive is just under 50 miles each way. That's about 55 minutes to 1+10 in driving (two-lane rural roads). Hands-on BC works for between 8 and 10 minutes in total. Yes, ACC –sans lane-centering– still works but what's the point on lightly travelled roads? Add in the speed traps (3 to 5 of them in 50 miles) and I would much rather be looking at the speedometer without doing neck gymnastics than a car icon providing little to no information. How often does the car icon information change anyway? In my case, it changes twice in an hour of driving, once when it comes on and once when it turns itself off. There's no reason to be forced to have an icon that seldom changes sitting front and center. Besides, as @dtbaker61 said, the car lets off a cacophony of warnings when something of importance changes – even I can hear it.

Until we have choices in the IPC layout, my automatic download switch stays in the off position

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

It sounds like a lot of people paid thousands more for their car than they should have since they don't use the safety features that they paid for. If I didn't want features that I wouldn't use, I would find a different car that didn't have the features that were unwanted and pay less. I try to use everything I pay for.

Extended range battery, more comfortable seats (heated seats I use, cooled seats not so much a concern. Go figure), 360 cameras, AWD, panoramic sunroof, and 2 motors. Those drove people to certain decisions. The rest was just tagging along. People are different.

 

[dtbaker61]

It sounds like a lot of people paid thousands more for their car than they should have since they don't use the safety features that they paid for. If I didn't want features that I wouldn't use, I would find a different car that didn't have the features that were unwanted and pay less. I try to use everything I pay for.

I do not consider driver assist as safety features. I consider them part of the Comfort package for people that don't want to actively Drive their own car which I chose to not buy because I would never use it and did not want it.



Just look at the recent full auto drive crash off of Mountain Road by Tesla employees that thought and believed their vehicle could drive better than they could drunk. I think Auto Drive is an abrogation of responsibility given the current state of software and the variable condition of most roads


I certainly do not want to pay five or $10,000 extra for software I do not trust and do not want to use. Thank God there is a base model available without the extras. I did not pay extra for features I would not use. I bought the base model select and standard range battery on purpose

 

[HOLOTYPE]

IMO though, regardless of all that, your automation status isn't the most paramount piece of information you need while driving your car.

Tell that to literally every car manufacturer that puts all the car info including automation features front and center.

Example My wife’s Pacifica speedometer is off to the right, lane keeping and intelligent cruise control - along with other info you can scroll through- dead center.

One thing I strongly believe though is for what we paid and the type of spedo screen the car has, we should be able to customize. Maybe people would use all their safety features if they could shove the car off to the side.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Maybe people would use all their safety features if they could shove the car off to the side.

I flew airplanes for a very long time. Our automation status information was off to the side. Only when the thing hiccuped did we get front-and-center warnings.

Why would I turn this on even if the speed readout is centered? Lane Keeping isn't always available and I'm not alone on this. It's also unlikely to work in the lifetime of this car. I only want the car icon pushed off to the side so I can see the damn speedometer without obstructions. When BC 1.4 arrives (someday), I'll still get 8 to 10 minutes out of an hour's drive where lane-keeping works. It's simply not worth using. I can stay on BC 1.0 and get the same result.

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