Is Ford still in the denial stage or have we moved on the acceptance stage??

[breeves002]

Lane keeping and lane centering do not work on every road even those that meat the standards for its operation. Y’all should really read the thread.

Yeah, I know it doesn't. I've been driving Fords with lane centering for 4 years and lane assist for like 10 years. Which is why I wish Ford left the lane centering only disable button on the wheel and the lane assist button on the stalk. Leaving lane assist on on roads it doesn't work on doesn't matter...it just doesn't work. Why turn it off?

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[Kamuelaflyer]

Yeah, I know it doesn't. I've been driving Fords with lane centering for 4 years and lane assist for like 10 years. Which is why I wish Ford left the lane centering only disable button on the wheel and the lane assist button on the stalk. Leaving lane assist on on roads it doesn't work on doesn't matter...it just doesn't work. Why turn it off?

For a long time I thought it was the way our rumble strips were set up (road side plus centerline). Turns out they have zero effect. It just dies at certain spots and never returns. If you cycle it off and back on, it still remains dead. I’ve given up on it. The Raptor is no better. My wife won’t turn anything on on it. If 1.4 was guaranteed to improve this I’d probably go ahead and install it (when it comes), but there are no guy of course. Hands on BlueCruise is nice when it works.

 

[breeves002]

For a long time I thought it was the way our rumble strips were set up (road side plus centerline). Turns out they have zero effect. It just dies at certain spots and never returns. If you cycle it off and back on, it still remains dead. I’ve given up on it. The Raptor is no better. My wife won’t turn anything on on it. If 1.4 was guaranteed to improve this I’d probably go ahead and install it (when it comes), but there are no guy of course. Hands on BlueCruise is nice when it works.

Or just leave it on. Then when it does work it works and when it doesn't...well it doesn't matter.

 

[dtbaker61]

You're telling me that you wouldn't know approximately how fast you're going without the speedometer? That's scary.

sure I know 'approximately' how fast I'm going... maybe +/- 5 mph, but not close enough to avoid a radar ticket if there are no other cars around for reference. rural highways (signed at 55mph by default) I find myself motoring along at 70mph in the MME because it's so quiet and smooth.

Most sports car have the tach dead center, and the speedometer to the side, because the speedometer really isn't that important.

only the really old sports cars had tachs in the middle.... mostly because shift points were crucial to stay in the (narrow) power band. on a given track, the speedo is just a reference so you can dial in the maximum speed entering a given corner.

The idea is 'whats the most important information you need to see at a glance?' and put that in the middle.

Thats also why I prefer dials or bars over numbers for speed, and in our case Power. It's easy to see a bar or dial while keeping your eyes on the road, but difficult to see a number unless its really big.

The more important point is that the Instrument display is just a screen.... with access to a zillion sensors. we should be able to customize and create our own 'dashboard'.... at least as an option, in some of the screen area. Heck, the CarScanner phone app can do it, why can't @Ford Motor Company ?

Alternatively, I'd be happy if I could cast my custom CarScanner dashboard to the center screen.... but we can't because CarScanner isn't in the regular AndroidAuto app list. Adding CarScanner to Android Auto, or making a deal to embed it native, would be fantastic.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Or just leave it on. Then when it does work it works and when it doesn't...well it doesn't matter.

That brings us full circle to the partially obscured speed reading.

 

[Opa]

Do you work for Ford?? The speed was in one place when it was in the middle. It was consistent. It didn't move. Absolute speed is not really that important?? I'll quote you next time I get pulled over or the next time I'm going into a tight turn with a speed limit warning. You have to work for Ford. Your reasoning makes as much sense as Ford does.

Not meaning to start a flame war, or anything, but isn’t that why we paid all the big bucks for all the safety sensors surrounding our car that can read speed limit signs, and keep us within the speed limit even on curves, centered in the lane, and keep us from rear, ending the driver in front of us?

This is what I bought our MME for. I’m 70, and my wife is pretty close behind me and I find it an absolute joy to turn on automatic cruise control and let the car essentially guide me through town without me having to worry about a bazillion things going on around me

 

[breeves002]

That brings us full circle to the partially obscured speed reading.

Never obscured for me. ??‍

 

[DennisD]

I do not understand why people hate this so much. Get over it! It's NOT HARD to see the speed on the right side.

From Feb 2021 when I got my first edition I have had the speed on the right side of the screen because I always keep the lane assistance on and use cruise control on almost every drive I take. I'm used to it and never turn lane assist off so I never see the speed in the center. Y'all should be leaving lane assistance on too honestly.

Side note, I hate how Ford separated the lane assist and lane centering buttons. There are roads I want lane assist on but centering off and I'm not going to go into the menu to turn off centering for that one road so I just turn off lane assistance completely.

People. You'll get used to it. This is a COMMON practice in modern cars as the center car display is for ADAS information for the driver. Sure, Ford doesn't do much with it now but holy cow people why are you so angry at something SO trivial?

IMO, Ford did a terrible job of designing this. As I posted earlier, my Prius has a similar layout but they just simply moved it up so that you could see everything with ease. Anytime you engineer (design) something that is obstructed, it is not well thought out.

It would be like going to a Football game and sitting behind one of the support post for the upper level. Sure, you would most likely know what is going on with the game but it would be so much better to not have to deal with the obstruction.

Imagine now telling the person that is sitting behind the post in a game to "Get over it".

 

[DustyShades]

Damn- this is the dumbest thing to get this level of upset over

 

[HOLOTYPE]

I flew airplanes for a very long time. Our automation status information was off to the side. Only when the thing hiccuped did we get front-and-center warnings.

Why would I turn this on even if the speed readout is centered? Lane Keeping isn't always available and I'm not alone on this. It's also unlikely to work in the lifetime of this car. I only want the car icon pushed off to the side so I can see the damn speedometer without obstructions. When BC 1.4 arrives (someday), I'll still get 8 to 10 minutes out of an hour's drive where lane-keeping works. It's simply not worth using. I can stay on BC 1.0 and get the same result.

Airplanes are one thing, and major respect to you as a pilot, but in terms of cars majority have all this info in the center with the spedo off to the side.

I get that lane centering doesn’t work everywhere because it couldn’t possibly be designed to work on every single road and scenario. I’ve never had it be a problem or annoyance when it doesn’t work. I get it’s your preference but I don’t see how it translates to Ford implementing and forcing bad design in an update.

When I purchased my 2024 Toyota Prius Limited, I was not pleased that it did not have Heads Up Display (HUD) like my 2022 has. After driving it for a few miles it was no big deal because they put the display of the entire Dash Console higher up onto the dash as shown below. Now if the MME would do the same, all issues would be resolved.

Now this, I’ve seen multiple videos regarding how the steering wheel blocks the display lol. One example

 

[DennisD]

Airplanes are one thing, and major respect to you as a pilot, but in terms of cars majority have all this info in the center with the spedo off to the side.

I get that lane centering doesn’t work everywhere because it couldn’t possibly be designed to work on every single road and scenario. I’ve never had it be a problem or annoyance when it doesn’t work. I get it’s your preference but I don’t see how it translates to Ford implementing and forcing bad design in an update.


Now this, I’ve seen multiple videos regarding how the steering wheel blocks the display lol. One example

He has the camera down too low. I have owned this for about a month and a half and I use it for Driver's Ed. and not one student (I have had around 25 different students drive it) has complained of not seeing the dashboard.

Once again, I was worried that it wouldn't be near as nice as the HUD but I actually prefer this one better.

I can't believe that Ford would screw this up so bad. I am guessing that the newer generation will be totally different and I would hedge my bets that they will simply move it up similarly to the Prius.

Just a guess though...............

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Never obscured for me. ??‍

I drove for 3 hours today. I can manage to get a combination of seat positions and steering wheel tilt to always see the speed reading.but damn that hurt. Far more than 3 hours of driving should be. To be clear about this, the speed readout is not fully obscured. That, would likely be impossible, but it is partially obscured when in a position that would not be disapproved by 9 out of 10 orthopedic surgeons.

Knowing that second digit at all times is quite necessary towards the end of every month here. The speed traps are out in full force starting the third week of each month as officers fall behind on their quotas. They cut zero slack in speed at those times and once you’ve lived here awhile you know where those traps are better than Waze does.

The other 3 weeks and changes? I’ve been told the Mach-e can exceed 100 ? mph on the Daniel K. Inoyue Highway without HPD batting an eyelash. Not that I would know from personal experience of course.

Even further off topic: today’s EV drive in near the eastern tip of the island. Cold, wet. 2 Ioniq 5s, a very nice EV6, 2 model Ys, a couple of M3s, one Lightning Pro, a launch edition model S, a Bolt EUV, several PHEVs, and 1 infinite blue Mach-e.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

He has the camera down too low. I have owned this for about a month and a half and I use it for Driver's Ed. and not one student (I have had around 25 different students drive it) has complained of not seeing the dashboard.

Once again, I was worried that it wouldn't be near as nice as the HUD but I actually prefer this one better.

I can't believe that Ford would screw this up so bad. I am guessing that the newer generation will be totally different and I would hedge my bets that they will simply move it up similarly to the Prius.

Just a guess though...............

Airplanes are one thing, and major respect to you as a pilot, but in terms of cars majority have all this info in the center with the spedo off to the side.

I get that lane centering doesn’t work everywhere because it couldn’t possibly be designed to work on every single road and scenario. I’ve never had it be a problem or annoyance when it doesn’t work. I get it’s your preference but I don’t see how it translates to Ford implementing and forcing bad design in an update.


Now this, I’ve seen multiple videos regarding how the steering wheel blocks the display lol. One example

All this conversation is moot anyway. Just give people the ability to customize the IPC, within reason, and this particular problem goes away.

 

[jcase2022]

I've been driving mine this way since I purchased it and the wheel has never blocked the speedometer. I'm curios what your perspective is and how it blocks your ability to see the speedometer?

I'm 6'1" and a third of the speed is cut off. I have a friend with the same car and he is 6'3". Its hopeless for him to see the far right number.

 

[DennisD]

I'm 6'1" and a third of the speed is cut off. I have a friend with the same car and he is 6'3". Its hopeless for him to see the far right number.

I am 5 10" and it is partially blocked for me as well.

I would like to go back in time when the Ford "Engineers" first drove this. I would have liked to been in the passenger seat and ask them about the speedometer and ask, isn't this something we should address before we start to manufacture them?

I too think this would have been the #1 bit of information that you would have wanted displayed prominently. Thinking back to all of my car in the 70's and 80's, I can't remember any of them of not seeing the speed clearly? Now the gas tank, tach. etc. were sometimes harder to see but the speedometer was always front and centered.

I am with you, Ford screwed this up and they should address it.

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