I Actually Might Have Considered Rivian, Until

[Jimrpa]

No CarPlay for You!
Apparently, their CEO doesn’t understand the difference between “control the ecosystem” and interoperability. ?

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[rcechinel]

I honestly expect more decisions like this from companies that are serious about software. For example, major autonomous driving improvements can only be done with the native navigation system. Rivian, for example, has increased the compute capacity of its onboard computer by 10X in the model 2024, aiming at autonomous driving. The updates are constant.

Can't achieve that if the users are leveraging other systems.

 

[ThunderClap]

No CarPlay for You!
Apparently, their CEO doesn’t understand the difference between “control the ecosystem” and interoperability. ?

But just being able to cast your youtube app to the center screen in itself is a great implementation compared to the laggy, web call implementation on Mache.

Even many models from Ford were launched without Carplay and were supported later. Which rivian Can do anytime they want.

Also their software experience is leagues ahead and way too better. Even tesla does that and thats why they could get away and Ford couldn’t and had to add carplay.

 

[The Electric Duo]

I honestly expect more decisions like this from companies that are serious about software. For example, major autonomous driving improvements can only be done with the native navigation system. Rivian, for example, has increased the compute capacity of its onboard computer by 10X in the model 2024, aiming at autonomous driving. The updates are constant.

Can't achieve that if the users are leveraging other systems.

I think the better approach would be to still offer CarPlay & Android Auto as an option. Rivian could then make some of the ADAS available only using the native nav - just like the Mach-E will only precondition for DCFC only while using the native nav.

If Rivian (and others) make the native systems better, people won't choose CarPlay or AA. But right now, cutting off access just seems like they are forcing their ecosystem on us.

 

[VaporTrails]

Incredibly short-sighted IMHO. You don’t have to give away the kingdom, just restrict the size of the playground. Lots of devs are doing work for CarPlay versions of Apps. They aren’t going to do FORD, Tesla, Rivian, Polestar versions.


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CarPlay supports a wide range of display resolutions with varying pixel densities and aspect ratios. The system automatically scales app icons and interfaces based on the resolution of the display, so they always appear onscreen at roughly the same size. Some common screen sizes are listed in the table below.

Dimensions (pixels)	Aspect ratio
800x480	5:3
960x540	16:9
1280x720	16:9
1920x720	8:3

 

[jgcom]

I honestly expect more decisions like this from companies that are serious about software. For example, major autonomous driving improvements can only be done with the native navigation system. Rivian, for example, has increased the compute capacity of its onboard computer by 10X in the model 2024, aiming at autonomous driving. The updates are constant.

Can't achieve that if the users are leveraging other systems.

Perhaps their problem is that they consider the people who buy the cars they sell to be mere users rather than owners. Owners should not be blocked from using what they bought however they wish. That compute capacity doesn't belong to Rivian.

 

[AtomicInternet]

Apple and Google both charge for carplay/android auto integration. I don't know the take rate, but that means you pay for everyone who buys your vehicle even if only 20% use it. I can see accountants eagerly trying to axe that line item per vehicle.

I'm guessing Apple/Google refuse to allow an "unlock" charge per customer, since that would easily solve this. Pay $15 or whatever to Apple/Google as a one-time-charge if you want Carplay/Android Auto.

 

[garyd9]

Apple and Google both charge for carplay/android auto integration.

Do you have any source for that? I'm asking because I believe it to be false. At least Apple does _not_ charge anything to automakers for enabling CarPlay.

 

[AtomicInternet]

Do you have any source for that? I'm asking because I believe it to be false. At least Apple does _not_ charge anything to automakers for enabling CarPlay.

I remember GM dropped Carplay based on revenue concerns, but after reading this it may have been more of a play to funnel fees to GM instead of Apple (meaning your subscriptions would go to GM rather than Apple if Carplay is not available).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...pping-apple-carplay-android-auto/11665322002/

 

[rcechinel]

I think the better approach would be to still offer CarPlay & Android Auto as an option. Rivian could then make some of the ADAS available only using the native nav - just like the Mach-E will only precondition for DCFC only while using the native nav.

If Rivian (and others) make the native systems better, people won't choose CarPlay or AA. But right now, cutting off access just seems like they are forcing their ecosystem on us.

They follow the tesla play book. Also, it costs DEV money to create and maintain those integrations.

 

[DYohn]

I considered Rivian until I drove one and realized I really have no desire for a truck designed for off-road adventuring. I'm an old man, I want a quiet ride.

 

[The Electric Duo]

They follow the tesla play book. Also, it costs DEV money to create and maintain those integrations.

It only takes a relatively tiny effort to offer basically a screen projection integration.

 

[kltye]

My entire electronic life, outside of my desktop and laptops, is in my mobile device. My phone is more often on me than me being in my car. Things like maps, music (what if I don't use spotify? or apple music?), texts, etc etc are all synced on my phone. I have no interest in setting things up again (even if it's only done every dozen years), or being tied to an ecosystem I don't use.

CarPlay/Android Auto is dead simple to implement. It just takes H.264 video from your device and sends back touch coordinates to the phone. Sure, you can expose sensors from the car to the phone and vice-versa, but that's about it.

I thought Americans are all about freedom - freedom to choose whatever fits their lifestyle

 

[AZBill]

I honestly expect more decisions like this from companies that are serious about software. For example, major autonomous driving improvements can only be done with the native navigation system. Rivian, for example, has increased the compute capacity of its onboard computer by 10X in the model 2024, aiming at autonomous driving. The updates are constant.

Can't achieve that if the users are leveraging other systems.

GM has one of the very best hands free systems, far better than Rivian, and they are using Google maps for navigation. The current Rivian nav system is extremely poor, worse than Ford.

Navigation and autonomous driving are not related. They use completely different maps for the two.

 

[AtomicInternet]

Another opinion on GM not including Carplay
https://insideevs.com/reviews/726471/gm-carplay-cadillac-lyriq-review/

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