Mach-e for Road Trips just sucks. Not even close. More expensive than gas

[Old_Norm]

Well, doesn't THAT just fu^k everything up. ???

You know what is really hilarious? It's the fact that you don't know the difference between car shoppers and car owners. Wow!

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[Old_Norm]

I think you've been of the consideration no one but yourself has "credibility" in this discussion.

Your assumption of your data you presented (some of it is outdated from 2013 -lol) is that college degreed people are smarter than non-college-degreed people and the inference is the non-degreed people are too dumb to do EV "nerd math". I've stated since the get go I do not believe to perform EV nerd math requires a college level degree. You've never presented data that refutes my position. It's your responsibility to do so.

Let's recap shall we?
You said,
"Over educated people tend to worry about useless crap like saving the planet and controlling the climate."
Useless crap? ?

"Come on man. It's not that EV road trippers are any larger-brained than non-EV'ers,"
You did not say I do not believe to perform EV nerd math requires a college level degree.

"I don't have time today to get into an internet thesis paper exercise. "
Yet you have time to post 11 comments on the subject. ?

"So as I said, this just reaffirms EV are mostly bought by over-educated Coastal and Enviro elites."
More educated that ICE vehicle owners? ?

"...that college degreed people are smarter than non-college-degreed people..."
I never used the word smarter.

You replied to this statement,
"According to available data, approximately 57% of car shoppers are estimated to have a college degree, meaning a significant majority of car buyers have completed higher education."

"Well, doesn't THAT just fu^k everything up."

Of course the entire conversation is about owners not shoppers but you failed to grasp that. If I learned anything from this, it's that one particular EV owner is certainly not very educated.

 

[Mach1E]

You know what is really hilarious? It's the fact that you don't know the difference between car shoppers and car owners. Wow!

Wow….. is that really going to be the foundation of your argument at this point?

Car shoppers is going to be current data from today.

Car owners are going to be old data from the past.

Since the foundation of your argument lies in 2013, I understand why you keep sticking to the “old data.” ?‍

 

[Mach1E]

Of course we are talking about owners vs shoppers but but why should that bother you?

You are simply making stuff up. You said, "My stat was for “working age adults” 25-64. Roughly the same ages of people buying EVs." What you said in your first post was, "% of working age adults in the US with a college degree? 54%"

The working age in the US is 15 to 64. But since you mention adult working age, that would be 18 to 64 not your made up 25 to 64.

What Is Working-Age Population?
"The working-age population is the total population in an area that is considered able and likely to work. It is based on the number of people in a predetermined age range. That age range can vary, but it usually begins with older teenagers and goes into retirement age, such as 18-64 or 15-64."
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/working-age-population.asp

Sorry, but you don’t get to redefine the terminology from the statistics I posted.

I sourced a link and the 54% number was defined as “working age adults in the US age 25-64.”


Here is what the data has given us-

56%- the number of EV owners in 2013 with college degrees

54% the number of adults age 25-64 with college degrees in 2021

57% the number of car shoppers with college degrees on 2023


Feel free to try to lecture me on margin of error again and how we can draw any meaningful conclusions from this data.

I say? These numbers aren’t statistically significantly different.

Most adults get college degrees these days (over 50%). That would include EV drivers and just the general population.

Only time you showed any significant difference was when you included children and the elderly in your stats (percent of all Americans with degrees).

 

[Mach1E]

Let's recap shall we?
You said,
"Over educated people tend to worry about useless crap like saving the planet and controlling the climate."
Useless crap? ?

"Come on man. It's not that EV road trippers are any larger-brained than non-EV'ers,"
You did not say I do not believe to perform EV nerd math requires a college level degree.

"I don't have time today to get into an internet thesis paper exercise. "
Yet you have time to post 11 comments on the subject. ?

"So as I said, this just reaffirms EV are mostly bought by over-educated Coastal and Enviro elites."
More educated that ICE vehicle owners? ?

"...that college degreed people are smarter than non-college-degreed people..."
I never used the word smarter.

You replied to this statement,
"According to available data, approximately 57% of car shoppers are estimated to have a college degree, meaning a significant majority of car buyers have completed higher education."

"Well, doesn't THAT just fu^k everything up."

Of course the entire conversation is about owners not shoppers but you failed to grasp that. If I learned anything from this, it's that one particular EV owner is certainly not very educated.

Margin of error is a simple calculation you learn week 1 of any statistics class.

Takes thousands of data points to get a margin of error within a few percentage points.

Just out of curiosity, what percentage of “car shoppers” do you think don’t end up owning a car?

 

[Old_Norm]

Margin of error is a simple calculation you learn week 1 of any statistics class.

Takes thousands of data points to get a margin of error within a few percentage points.

Just out of curiosity, what percentage of “car shoppers” do you think don’t end up owning a car?

So what margin of error did you come up with for your percentages?

 

[Old_Norm]

A - yes, whether people have less IQ or have higher IQ but didn't have access to a higher education - most don't bother themselves with crap they can't solve.

B- I did say in subsequent posts it's about education level and performing nerd math. Some people need undstanding through additional clarification...

C - LOL. WTF do you think the result of a "car buyer" is... ? I'll not wait for you... a car buyer is a car owner. When you buy something you then become the owner of the item you bought.

" According to available data, approximately 57% of car shoppers are estimated to have a college degree, meaning a significant majority of car buyers have completed higher education."

Is English your second language? A car shopper is not a car buyer until they buy a car. Not all car shoppers buy cars. Some have bad credit, lease a vehicle or just keep the car they have. I can't believe I had to explain that to you. Wait, yes I can. This is just getting silly.

 

[Old_Norm]

Margin of error is a simple calculation you learn week 1 of any statistics class.

Takes thousands of data points to get a margin of error within a few percentage points.

Just out of curiosity, what percentage of “car shoppers” do you think don’t end up owning a car?

So what is the margin of error, Mach1E, Mach1E, Bueller, Bueller, anyone?

 

[Old_Norm]

"...meaning a significant majority of car buyers have completed higher education."

Yikes!

If the percentage of higher-educated shoppers is 57% (i.e. a "significant majority"), the sentence says the percentage of higher-educated buyers is a significant majority (i.e. approx 57%). Meaning nearly all shoppers transition to buyers, which means the shoppers transition to owners via the buying process.

I think people are getting bored here. I know I am.

OK, I'll play. Only 20% of people shopping for a new car buy one. And for the last time, this entire discussion between us has been about car owners. Without knowing what those 20% are buying your entire point is useless. All the data points to those with the highest level of education are buying EVs.

"According to recent data, around 20% of people actively looking for a new car actually end up buying one within a given timeframe, with many factors influencing this number like market conditions, inventory availability, and individual financial situations;..."

If you run across your buddy Mach1E ask him what the margin of error is. Then get back to me. Or don't.

 

[SigSauer]

I have to laugh when I read this post, especially when it's from an owner of several years. If you had spent any time reading this forum in the past 3 years, you would have had a much better trip.

Using PlugShare, it's clear that the Ennis, Texas Electrify America is a bad stop. Clearly says 1 of 4 working, and it's rated 5.2 out of 10. ABRP would tell you to stop at the Tesla charger in Fairfield, Texas, which is rated 10 out of 10, with 16 chargers. If you don't have your Tesla adapter yet, you could use the EA in Fairfield, which has four 350kW chargers. Looks like it opened recently.

Had you paid $7 for EA's plan for your trip, you would have saved 25%. Instead of 56 cents, you would have paid 42 cents. Breakeven on the $7 would be 50kWh. So you threw money away.

If you got 1.9 miles per kWh, you were driving crazy fast, you should have gotten like 2.6 or so at the worst. What mpg do you get in your F-150 driving that fast?

Computing cost is challenging for so many. You left with a full battery. You said you used 133kWh. Doesn't make sense. At 2.6 you would have used 506/2.6=193. What portion of the 193 did you allocate to the 14 cents?

ABRP has my Premium AWD using 168 roundtrip. I would have arrived home with around 10%, and charged to 90%. So my home cost would be 100-90% (charging before leaving) and 90-10% (charging at home), or 90% of my 91kWh battery. That's 82kWh. So I only have to buy 86kW at 42 cents.

82 x 14 + 86 x 42 = $47.60, vs. your gas F-150 spending $43. So, basically the same cost... Add in the $7 membership fee if you want, so $54.60 vs. $43. Not much more, and more fun to drive (I had an F-150).

Plan your trips better, or complain. Up to you.

Great advice. Columbus to Philly to Gettysburg back to Columbus. Zero charging problems. Hotels had free charging and Sheets gas stations filled in the rest.

 

[Old_Norm]

Great advice. Columbus to Philly to Gettysburg back to Columbus. Zero charging problems. Hotels had free charging and Sheets gas stations filled in the rest.

Did you use Tesla chargers? If so, any issues.

PS I used to carry your Model P228 ?

 

[Old_Norm]

I can't help you here man, I see the issue now. I'm thinking you might of had difficulty in math class when word problems were being taught to teach logical equations.

 

[Mach1E]

So what is the margin of error, Mach1E, Mach1E, Bueller, Bueller, anyone?

A few percent. Like it is whenever we extrapolate ANY survey in a country of 300+ million people. ?‍

You seem really passionate about some random stat we have incomplete data on. Not sure why this matters so much to you.

Everyone else here seems to understand that when it comes to EV owners and college degrees….. the data we have is outdated and incomplete.

Why do you sound so sure of yourself with outdated and incomplete data?

 

[Old_Norm]

I can't help you here man, I see the issue now. I'm thinking you might of had difficulty in math class when word problems were being taught to teach logical equations.

I'll make it so simple even you can understand.

let's take 100 new car buyers. According to a Gallup poll 7% are likely to be EV buyers. Now, for arguments sake let's say those 7 EV buyers all have college degrees. That 100% of the EV buyers have college degrees. But only 54% (using your number) of the other type of vehicle drivers have college degrees.

Now to prove my unbiased point, let's say none of the EV buyers have college degrees. That means that 54% of other vehicle buyers are college educated as opposed to 0% of the EV drivers

So you see, just stating that 54% of new car buyers have college degrees in no way proves only 54% of EV drivers do or don't have college degrees. Recess!

"WASHINGTON, D.C. [4/8/24] -- Seven percent of Americans, up from 4% a year ago, report that they own an electric vehicle."
https://news.gallup.com/poll/643334/ownership-ticks-fewer-nonowners-buy-one.aspx

 

[Old_Norm]

A few percent. Like it is whenever we extrapolate ANY survey in a country of 300+ million people. ?‍

You seem really passionate about some random stat we have incomplete data on. Not sure why this matters so much to you.

Everyone else here seems to understand that when it comes to EV owners and college degrees….. the data we have is outdated and incomplete.

Why do you sound so sure of yourself with outdated and incomplete data?

Oh please. Your whole argument relies on the Margin of Error and you can only guess at what it is. Please tell me how you arrived at "a few precent". You can't and we both know it. It was a guess.

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