NACS coming in 2025, right? but what about port placement?

[4sallypat]

The cable length problem is short term and will lessen relatively quickly as more stations get built.

Tesla’s latest Supercharger team leader said that they’re deploying new dispensers at a rate where they anticipate longer cables will outnumber short cables in 18 months. What’s not clear to me is if he’s referring to globally or just in North America.

https://electrek.co/2024/11/27/tesl...rchargers-as-non-tesla-evs-complicate-things/

New V4 Superchargers just installed near my flight school in Chino/Ontario, CA.

Cord is much longer but thicker and heavier.

Does not have to take up 2 chargers for 1 Tesla stall.

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[silverelan]

New V4 Superchargers just installed near my flight school in Chino/Ontario, CA.

Cord is much longer but thicker and heavier.

Does not have to take up 2 chargers for 1 Tesla stall.

I like that setup where you can pull up to the pedestal from either side and the cord has zero trouble reaching the charge port.

if Tesla is as aggressive with V4 dispenser deployment as they claim, the inconvenience of taking up two spots will become a quirky memory we have of the early days of Supercharging.

 

[astrorob]

I like that setup where you can pull up to the pedestal from either side and the cord has zero trouble reaching the charge port.

if Tesla is as aggressive with V4 dispenser deployment as they claim, the inconvenience of taking up two spots will become a quirky memory we have of the early days of Supercharging.

so any idea if they are upgrading V2/V3 sites or are they just installing V4 in new places? being in nor cal there area ton of older supercharging sites here and i wonder if they will be upgraded.

i guess when i posted this question i didn't really think about all the other EVs that are eligible for supercharging now; getting everyone to move their port is probably a non-starter and so in the end it's just easier for tesla to accomodate various port placements. i guess i always thought that part of tesla's superior reliability vs. EA and others had to do with shorter cables needing less exotic cooling (or maybe no cooling?) and thought they wouldn't want to give that up. but it looks like it is happening, which is a good thing.

 

[HuntingPudel]

so any idea if they are upgrading V2/V3 sites or are they just installing V4 in new places? being in nor cal there area ton of older supercharging sites here and i wonder if they will be upgraded.

i guess when i posted this question i didn't really think about all the other EVs that are eligible for supercharging now; getting everyone to move their port is probably a non-starter and so in the end it's just easier for tesla to accomodate various port placements. i guess i always thought that part of tesla's superior reliability vs. EA and others had to do with shorter cables needing less exotic cooling (or maybe no cooling?) and thought they wouldn't want to give that up. but it looks like it is happening, which is a good thing.

Not sure what's getting upgraded. I can only say that in my little corner of the Bay Area that the most recent site activations have been V3. Sad, since V4 was out long before any ground breaking had been done on the 4-5 sites I am thinking of. ?‍?

 

[fordvideoguy]

previously i had posted asking about MME alternatives, but i think i decided to just buy another mach-e now, in case the tariffs are real. i'm assuming it might be quite expensive to replace when my options loan ends in december 2025. could be wrong about this, of course, and not totally committed yet.

i understand that the NACS port is coming to the 2025 MY mach-e, but what about the port placement? it seems like unless they move it to the back of the car you're going to have a hard time charging at busy superchargers and/or end up in fistfights with angry tesla owners when you're blocking 2 spots to charge. anyone know if ford plans to move the port to the driver's side rear?

thanks

I'm sure many have responded but 25MY will not get NASC Ports.

 

[astrorob]

I'm sure many have responded but 25MY will not get NASC Ports.

yes, i guess it will be 2026 or beyond…

 

[curtisfinney]

It has not. They have shown working cords, given all the specs, shared information on all the certifications it will have. And even sent them off to Tesla (most likely, I can’t prove they are the “interested party”) for approval.

It’s my understanding that level 3 charging cables are liquid cooled. How will this work with your extension cord?

 

[Sikkun]

It’s my understanding that level 3 charging cables are liquid cooled. How will this work with your extension cord?

Thicker/heavier cord to dissipate the heat more.

 

[curtisfinney]

Thicker/heavier cord to dissipate the heat more.

Is this a guess or a well thought out engineered answer?

I’m still quite skeptical. I’ve had EA chargers overheat in Madison, WI on a 90F sunny day.

Thicker cables are better for power, but they don’t dissipate heat faster. It’s likely longer especially when you have thick rubber insulation around it. Why else are these cables liquid cooled and monitored for temperature?

 

[Sikkun]

Is this a guess or a well thought out engineered answer?

I’m still quite skeptical. I’ve had EA chargers overheat in Madison, WI on a 90F sunny day.

Thicker cables are better for power, but they don’t dissipate heat faster. It’s likely longer especially when you have thick rubber insulation around it. Why else are these cables liquid cooled and monitored for temperature?

The cord already exists….and yes it’s thicker and heavier. You can look up its specs.

 

[curtisfinney]

The cord already exists….and yes it’s thicker and heavier. You can look up its specs.

Link please

 

[dpnelson]

so any idea if they are upgrading V2/V3 sites or are they just installing V4 in new places? being in nor cal there area ton of older supercharging sites here and i wonder if they will be upgraded.

i guess when i posted this question i didn't really think about all the other EVs that are eligible for supercharging now; getting everyone to move their port is probably a non-starter and so in the end it's just easier for tesla to accomodate various port placements. i guess i always thought that part of tesla's superior reliability vs. EA and others had to do with shorter cables needing less exotic cooling (or maybe no cooling?) and thought they wouldn't want to give that up. but it looks like it is happening, which is a good thing.

I'd expect them to start updating V2 sites since they're only 150kw, and all of Tesla's current models can charge faster than that. They're also generally in good, high demand, road trip locations since they were installed when Tesla was setting up their original "now you can go anywhere" network. I suspect Tesla was waiting for the 800v cabinets to be ready so that they can do one renovation and be done.

There's at least one current V2 site that I'm aware of that got a NEVI award for upgrades. It's in Somerset, PA, which is in the middle of a pretty big CCS charging desert along the Pennsylvania turnpike.

 

[dbsb3233]

Link please

You need to use the REPLY button so it includes the post you're replying to. Otherwise no one has any idea what comment you're responding to.

 

[curtisfinney]

You need to use the REPLY button so it includes the post you're replying to. Otherwise no one has any idea what comment you're responding to.

I did scroll up. It’s yet another bug of this software that runs this forum

 

[Sikkun]

Link please

https://a2zevshop.com/products/dc-nacs-extension-cord-6-9-ft-2-3-meters

The company ceo recently did an interview with Turn Down for Watt podcast (https://www.turndownforwattpodcast....2z-ceo-talks-exciting-new-products-and-recall) that goes into more details. Everything has been submitted to UL for certification, the extension cord is in concerned parties hand (let’s assume Tesla). Because of the forced (excessively so) recall on their adapter they are not releasing the extension cord until Tesla gives them an Ok (as in, tells them they won’t attempt to sue them again).

So it’s possible the cord never gets officially released, but from an engineering standpoint the problems are solvable/solved. At least for cars charging at a max 150 like the Mach E.

Also additional info on Twitter, but I don’t venture into that space.

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