At which stage during the order process do I know my driveout cost?

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What you see on the website isn't always what you'll get. I contacted a dealer and confirmed via email that there was markup for cars on the lot, but not for cars ordered online. They wouldn't reply about forced add-ons (VIN etching, nitrogen in tires, exterior/interior protection coating... the usual BS most people don't want but dealerships charge a few additional thousand for without asking you). The website confirmed what they had told me, that the difference from MSRP was zero. Great! Two months in, when doing my weekly check on the order status, I saw that the difference from MSRP was now a few thousand dollars. All the dealer would tell me was that if they had promised me pricing, then they'd honor it, and even after showing them the email they had sent me, they'd just repeat that when I asked for confirmation if that meant my order was going to be sold at MSRP or not.

I'll have to go in person to get a direct answer out of them, and will try to get them to sign a pricing agreement with me on the spot as well, to prevent further nonsense like this. What Ford and the dealers are doing is incredibly misleading, and open to abuse. What's to prevent them from deciding to mark us up by $20,000 on delivery day, knowing that by then we've waited months for the car and might not have any more time to burn finding an alternate? They can refund the deposit and then sell the car on the lot with markup if we abandon the order (maybe not for $20,000 over MSRP, but still a few thousand more, which beats selling at MSRP).

What I am getting out of my experience is that you either should have them lay out all of the costs and then have them sign it (not just you - someone else had a horror story on this forum where they had the costs from the dealership, and their own signature, but the dealership refuted it because no manager had signed it), or have a backup plan ready to go by delivery day. These practices are unbelievably dishonest, but at least we're finding this out now, early on in our ordering process, and not on delivery day, when thinking clearly would be more difficult due to the excitement... but knowing that people are so excited on delivery day, maybe that's why the dealers are trying to do this, rather than being up-front from the start.
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I asked my sales rep for title, registration, document prep fees, and anything additional I’ll need. He gave me all of them, but my total will be dependent upon trade in value, as that will determine the decrease in sales tax here in MA.
 

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Agreed, but some people look at cars as nothing more than an appliance.

Order a toaster on Amazon, have it delivered the next day. No “test drive” needed, it has 1,000 5 star reviews!
That worked fine, till the real reviews got overwhelmed by the fake reviews. Now, it's hard to know whether you're getting a 5-star toaster or a 2-star toaster.
 

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Here is how I did it at El Cajon Ford. I ordered the car online. 500 deposit to Ford (it is refundable). Once the dealer notified me they had the order, I went in and did the paperwork with them for the out the door price. No ADM, they accepted X plan and CA 2000 rebate which goes to them and they take off the price. I got the final OTD price in writing. I got it in writing that I could cancel my order if I did not like the car after it showed up at the dealer. There were no additional markups. Look up "No ADM dealers" on this forum and you will see dealers that do not charge additional markup. Ordered in Nov 20, car showed up Apr 21. Easy. I even requested a second fob which they gave me. PM me for any questions - pretty standard stuff from a good dealer.
 

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I am worried about the dealership tacking on charges or lowballing me on my trade in once the vehicle gets here. Would it be crappy to order from two different dealerships and decide which one to go with based on which one offeres the best trade in value and pricing?
 


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I am worried about the dealership tacking on charges or lowballing me on my trade in once the vehicle gets here. Would it be crappy to order from two different dealerships and decide which one to go with based on which one offeres the best trade in value and pricing?
Why are you trading in with the dealer? There are tons of options (Carvana, Carmax) that will buy your car. They are paying top prices. There is also nothing stopping you from asking the dealer NOW what they will pay for your trade. One less variable to worry about! Once the car shows up, you will need to commit quickly.
 

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Why are you trading in with the dealer? There are tons of options (Carvana, Carmax) that will buy your car. They are paying top prices. There is also nothing stopping you from asking the dealer NOW what they will pay for your trade. One less variable to worry about! Once the car shows up, you will need to commit quickly.
I was hoping to trade my current car in for the sales tax benefit. I have about 6K miles on my hybrid (thanks to no driving during the COVID-19 shutdown), and anticipate I'll be at around 10K in about 6 months or so when I hope to get the vehicle delivered. I've asked the sales person if I could get an estimate on trade in value and didn't really get a straight answer. Basically was told that a lot could change in the next few months, so they won't really look at trade-in value right now.
 
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Look up "No ADM dealers" on this forum and you will see dealers that do not charge additional markup..
Frankly, that list is misleading and should be taken down. Only honest dealers will tell you it is ADM, the rest will call it Etching, Quintuple Paint Protection, POF Package (Peace of Mind :)). In my case, the first dealer I called off that list had a "Modem Fee" for making the "car come alive" before I pick it up (no joke). The other dealer on that list was very honest, because they did not even want to sell me the car after a trip to the dealership, and emails, no response. In a way I appreciate that, don't sell something you don't make money on, unless you can say this is our ADM and in most cases reasonable people will pay a reasonable fee.
 

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Frankly, that list is misleading and should be taken down. Only honest dealers will tell you it is ADM, the rest will call it Etching, Quintuple Paint Protection, POF Package (Peace of Mind :)). In my case, the first dealer I called off that list had a "Modem Fee" for making the "car come alive" before I pick it up (no joke). The other dealer on that list was very honest, because they did not even want to sell me the car after a trip to the dealership, and emails, no response. In a way I appreciate that, don't sell something you don't make money on, unless you can say this is our ADM and in most cases reasonable people will pay a reasonable fee.
Yeah I agree that is BS. All the more reason to work out a written deal in advance. There are good dealers out there, you just have to find them.
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