Congestion Fee

[Mach1E]

You pull in to fill up at a gas station and the car in front of you is filled. The driver sees every pump has lines waiting to fill up. They go in to the store and whatever they are doing you are waiting to use the pump. 15 minutes later they exit and leave. Your pissed but they are being ignorant not to pull up to a parking spot so you could fill up. The ev fee is fair especially as more ev are being sold. Some nut may decide to shoot you. Scary as it might sound it does happen.

Never said it wasn’t fair. Also didn’t say it wouldn’t be effective.

I just think it’s a crappy solution and creates a bad experience.

Some people like living in neighborhoods with HOAs and rules and fees to “keep people in line.”

I am definitely not one of those people.

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[Mach1E]

No, but the handicap person that had to park far away because someone who isn’t handicap parked in the reserve spot is sure to smile when they see a parking ticket being handed out.

Analogy doesn’t apply.

That’s illegal and hurts disadvantaged people.

Charging your car to 100% is not and does not.

 

[babgvant]

It may not be “about rationing,” but it is rationing.

Sorry, but it is not rationing. You are simply being charged a per kWh + time fee instead of straight kWh. You are not being blocked from consuming, only being encouraged to stop consuming.

 

[superdave80]

80% hard caps should be put in place once a location is showing 100% utilization. If you want to slow charge to 100%, go find an L2 charger, that's what they are there for.

 

[AliRafiee]

Sorry, but it is not rationing. You are simply being charged a per kWh + time fee instead of straight kWh. You are not being blocked from consuming, only being encouraged to stop consuming.

You’re being discouraged from being connected and NOT consuming.

 

[Mach1E]

Sorry, but it is not rationing. You are simply being charged a per kWh + time fee instead of straight kWh. You are not being blocked from consuming, only being encouraged to stop consuming.

Potato potato.

They’re talking about a significant punitive fine for charging from 80 to 100%.

It’s trying to limit people from using resources because there aren’t enough. Sounds like rationing to me.

 

[Auto Motive]

Potato potato.

They’re talking about a significant punitive fine for charging from 80 to 100%.

It’s trying to limit people from using resources because there aren’t enough. Sounds like rationing to me.

Rationing is saving the electric which is in short supply. In this case its just speeding up a congestion like a longer red lite. One lite lets our three cars and 6 are sitting.

 

[Mach1E]

Rationing is saving the electric which is in short supply. In this case its just speeding up a congestion like a longer red lite. One lite lets our three cars and 6 are sitting.

You’re just describing the rationing.

And again, it’s not the solution.

In your example we don’t need to change the light times, we need more roads.

I don’t like the idea of punishing people for using a charger properly (charging their batteries).

I totally understand and agree with an idle fee if you’re fully charged and sitting more than a few minutes, but to penalize people for using them as intended is ridiculous.

How about a fine for the charging companies for how many chargers are broken or how long it takes them to fix them?

 

[AliRafiee]

How about a fine for the charging companies for how many chargers are broken or how long it takes them to fix them?

They are already getting fined by not having income from the broken charger.

 

[21st Century Pony]

The industry is evolving fast and the game will completely change, for the better, when the now-elusive solid state battery arrives. Which IMHO it will.

Let's remember the historical discussions, available in old library newspaper fiches, about the safety aspects of storing and transporting gasoline a supremely flammable liquid in glass containers, back 100+ years ago. The point being, when industry adapted and evolved much safer storage and transport methods for gasoline (this included consumers and drivers btw.) the local ordinance writers on the city county and state level also relaxed about the putative dangers of gasoline spills and fires.

For now, we focus on DCFC charging station density. For sure the already-in-process access to the Tesla Supercharger network is the tactical game changer. However, when a different (solid state?) battery technology comes in sometime in 10 years, the whole issue will become a non-issue.

Maybe late for us current owners, yet I'm certain it will happen. Anyone used a glass jar to store their lawn mower gasoline lately?

 

[superdave80]

I don’t like the idea of punishing people for using a charger properly (charging their batteries).

Using a DC charger to charge 80-100% is not the proper use of a DC charger. An L2 charger would be the proper equipment to use.
In fact, one or two high power (11kw) L2 chargers at a DC charging location would be a good, inexpensive way to get from 80-100%, while freeing up the expensive DC chargers. DC charge to 80%, the charger cuts off, you move over to the L2 charger and finish up.

 

[AliRafiee]

Using a DC charger to charge 80-100% is not the proper use of a DC charger. An L2 charger would be the proper equipment to use.
In fact, one or two high power (11kw) L2 chargers at a DC charging location would be a good, inexpensive way to get from 80-100%, while freeing up the expensive DC chargers. DC charge to 80%, the charger cuts off, you move over to the L2 charger and finish up.

EA generally has a level 2 next to the level 3 chargers.

 

[kltye]

EA generally has a level 2 next to the level 3 chargers.

They've stopped rolling them out, probably because usage sucked, and the pricing wasn't great either.

Even us slow Mach-Es charge between 3-4x faster on DC from 80%-93% ish compared to a 48 amp L2, so I don't think it's totally fair to expect L2s to take up that slack. I will say that adding more stations per location and per mile is probably the best, so people don't feel the need to charge closer to 100% on trips.

 

[Mach1E]

Using a DC charger to charge 80-100% is not the proper use of a DC charger. An L2 charger would be the proper equipment to use.
In fact, one or two high power (11kw) L2 chargers at a DC charging location would be a good, inexpensive way to get from 80-100%, while freeing up the expensive DC chargers. DC charge to 80%, the charger cuts off, you move over to the L2 charger and finish up.

Maybe if you aren’t in a hurry. But if the goal is to get people to drive everywhere in an EV and ditch the gasoline, this also would be counterproductive.

 

[Mach1E]

They are already getting fined by not having income from the broken charger.

Apparently that “fine” isn’t working either.

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