Criteria for your Next EV?

[ctenidae]

I'm positive when I'm in my rocker at Shady Acres my grandkids are going to say "Papa - tells us again how long it used to take to charge your car...." and I'll say "45 minutes!" and they be like "NOOOOO WAYYYYYY!!!!"...

In reality, they'll be amazed that we wasted time driving ourselves around, will be confused that we were willing to pay for 100% availability of an asset we used 8% of the time, and will probably be quite angry at the number of dead dinosaurs we all used to do all that. Especially after you explain once again what "shade" is, and just how big an acre is, since there's really nothing that big (or shady) in the underground EnviroShield(tm) Bunker Complex 14B (guaranteed resistant to zombies, tidal surges, and class 4 methane storms).

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[superdave80]

Weight and energy density will improve. I think they will improve enough to make my wish list possible.

But weight is not the primary force on your vehicle at 75MPH, it's aerodynamic drag.

 

[superdave80]

Sure, but as far as energy density and efficiency goes, it’s an incremental change, not exponential:

Solid state has several other advantages that could still make it a large leap forward. I listed it as an example because it seems to be one of the technologies closest to having an actual working product.

Here is a nice rundown on some other battery technologies that would be exponential (but I have no idea how close they are to being ready)
https://www.greencars.com/greencars-101/the-future-of-ev-batteries

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

But weight is not the primary force on your vehicle at 75MPH, it's aerodynamic drag.

Exactly this. The power required to move an object through air goes as the speed cubed.

 

[ctenidae]

Exactly this. The power required to move an object through air goes as the speed cubed.

Physics - it's not just a good idea, it's the law.

 

[ArthurDOB]

My wishlist:
- At least 350-400 mile range.
- Faster recharge time
- Less SW/module/interface issues I never had to worry about user interface issues in my 2008 Mazda (which i replaced with the MME). I want the same experience in my next car.
- Similar style as MME.

I do a lot of SF to LA driving. I don't like stopping often. With my ICE I stopped once, refuelled and was on the move in 15 minutes. I want the same from my next EV.

Shouldn't you already be able to do that? Coming from San Mateo (for example) to Kettleman City = ~200 miles. KC to Glendale (for example) = ~175 miles. OK, minus the 15 minute part.

 

[ArthurDOB]

My next EV? I'm still waiting for my first one!

 

[Mirak]

Shoot. I guess physics dictates that there’ll never be battery tech which enables 350mi range and 3mi/kWh at 75mph without a dorkmobile shape, and <15min 10-90% recharge. Might as well have asked for a perpetual motion machine. I guess it’s time to give up hope on EV mass adoption. Darn you, physics!

 

[DadzBoyz]

First, overall, I'm very happy with my MME GT-P. Some of my improvements are Tesla ideas, but in their current state, I'm not interested in the look and build quality of Tesla's.

So, we start with the Mach-E GT-P Plus:

• Non-cliché dealer experience.
  • Professional
  • No ADM BS
  • Make Customer Service a priority (rather than an annoyance to them)
• Improved service experience
  • Professional
  • Timely
  • Loaner
  • Make Customer Service a priority (rather than an annoyance to them)
• Heated AND Cooled front seats
• Heated (at least) rear seats
• Maybe Massaging Seats
• mmWave 5G internet or faster. Preferably upgradeable.
• Modular, undateable processors and modules.
• Better Quality Windshield/Glass
• Moveable roof glass shade
• No 5 Sec Limiter
• Two phone qi charge pads
• New CarPlay and Android Auto total UI options including vehicle speed, status, charge, SOC, etc. user interfaces.... and upgradeable.
• More bass in stereo
• Cumulative (rather than serial) software updates. IOT, software updates like your phone instead of having to install every update in order.
• More fun and creativity from software developers
• Improved EV engineering (HVBJB and see Ford's own comments on braking, cooling system, wiring, etc.)
• Better build quality (sorry Tesla)
• Heat Pump
• Improved security and cameras (Sentry Mode)
• Higher speed/power architecture for charging AC/Type 2 and DC
• Improved battery chemistry/technology
• Two-way power/charging
  • Charge Car
  • Car Charge Another Car
  • Car Power House
  • Etc.
• AC Converter/Adapter (plug in household accessories)
• Reduced weight
• 350-400+ range
• Improved charging network(s)
• Improved vehicle (motor wine) and environmental sound deadening (Without the engine sounds, its silly to hear leaves and sticks from yard clippings banging around int he wheel wells.)
• Level 3+ autonomous driving
• LIDAR

 

[spicy_taco]

Shouldn't you already be able to do that? Coming from San Mateo (for example) to Kettleman City = ~200 miles. KC to Glendale (for example) = ~175 miles. OK, minus the 15 minute part.

Technically yes, we're very close to reaching the 1 stop requirement. But realistically it's not there yet. If I start at 100% charge, preconditioned, and I drive with a loaded car, with climate control on, and at 75-80 on I-5 I can make it to Kettleman City with ~17% charge. If I charge up to 80% from there, then I can make it to Santa Clarita with 10% charge. But I need to make it to Pomona. (This is assuming I average at least 2.9mi/Kw.

Two things fighting against me on that trip. Pacheko Pass, speeds on I-5, and the climb through Grapevine.

 

[buzznwood]

Shoot. I guess physics dictates that there’ll never be battery tech which enables 350mi range and 3mi/kWh at 75mph without a dorkmobile shape, and <15min 10-90% recharge. Might as well have asked for a perpetual motion machine. I guess it’s time to give up hope on EV mass adoption. Darn you, physics!

No you just need to pick another shape, there is a shape that offers plenty of cargo capacity and utility along with the same lower frontal area of a sedan, which is the important part as there only so much you can do when your frontal area is the same size as double decker bus.

The problem is that shape in a lot of peoples and manufactures eyes is no longer fashionable, then again what do expect when most of them made on this side of the pond where clad with wood paneling ?

 

[DadzBoyz]

Physics - it's not just a good idea, it's the law.

Power required to attain a stated speed must overcome mass (gravitational resistance) and aerodynamic drag (atmospheric resistance).

 

[HuntingPudel]

Honestly, the only thing I need is a 'comfier suspension'. Yeah bells and whistle like more range and faster charging help but I don't see that as a limit currently. In fact, my day to day doesn't require anywhere near the 280ish miles I get on the GT. I am really contemplating getting aftermarket coilvers this thanksgiving if I get a sale on those.

I will be in the market to replace my wife's ICE car in a couple of years and I think the main criteria for me would be to have a comfier ride. We both love the Mach E but if we had kids, I would probably pick a cruiser.

Wait a little. @markboris has purchased rear performance shocks and is collaborating with a few non-Magneride owners to experiment with them in an effort to get a better ride without the big expense of the coil over setup. ??

No you just need to pick another shape, there is a shape that offers plenty of cargo capacity and utility along with the same lower frontal area of a sedan, which is the important part as there only so much you can do when your frontal area is the same size as double decker bus.

The problem is that shape in a lot of peoples and manufactures eyes is no longer fashionable, then again what do expect when most of them made on this side of the pond where clad with wood paneling ?

I know of (and have had my hands in) several of these kinds of vehicles that run the quarter in the 8-10 second range without Brand X motivation. ??

 

[DadzBoyz]

Shoot. I guess physics dictates that there’ll never be battery tech which enables 350mi range and 3mi/kWh at 75mph without a dorkmobile shape, and <15min 10-90% recharge. Might as well have asked for a perpetual motion machine. I guess it’s time to give up hope on EV mass adoption. Darn you, physics!

Not necessarily.
Those things can be possible as we increase efficiencies in batteries, cabling, motors, etc.
None of these things are close to the efficiency that will be possible with further innovation and development in material sciences, chemistry, etc.

 

[Mirak]

No you just need to pick another shape, there is a shape that offers plenty of cargo capacity and utility along with the same lower frontal area of a sedan, which is the important part as there only so much you can do when your frontal area is the same size as double decker bus.

The problem is that shape in a lot of peoples and manufactures eyes is no longer fashionable, then again what do expect when most of them made on this side of the pond where clad with wood paneling ?

Man, physics is just the worst amirite? There will never be an advance in battery tech that would allow a car shaped like the Mach E to do 350mi at 75mph with at least 3mi/kWh and <15min recharge. Drag is such a drag, ya know? I wish I had studied physics more, or I would have realized this earlier.

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