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That appears to be the same type that's in the red picture (presumably used for all the initial prototypes).
 

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It is looking like the ultimate handles will be more substantial than those on the prototypes as more marketing photos like this one pop up. These do look a lot better.

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I still think it's an odd engineering decision by Ford. To open the door is actually a 2 step process. First hit the button and then grab the handle. Am I understanding that correctly?
 
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I still think it's an odd engineering decision by Ford. To open the door is actually a 2 step process. First hit the button and then grab the handle. Am I understand that correctly?
Might be able to do it in one step, pressing the button with your RH thumb while pulling with your fingers.

But most of the time we probably won't even be using the button at all, if carrying a cell phone. It's supposed to have an option to unlock and pop open automatically when you get close with your cell phone.

Although I wonder about that if I'm just doing something else in the garage and walk past the car. Is it gonna pop the door open every time?
 

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I still think it's an odd engineering decision by Ford. To open the door is actually a 2 step process. First hit the button and then grab the handle. Am I understand that correctly?
All the details are not yet known, but at least it can be opened with one finger if holding other items in hands.

The Model 3/Y handle requires two motions and most of one hand to be free. You have to push in one end, then grab the other end when it is sticking out.
 

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Might be able to do it in one step, pressing the button with your RH thumb while pulling with your fingers.

But most of the time we probably won't even be using the button at all, if carrying a cell phone. It's supposed to have an option to unlock and pop open automatically when you get close with your cell phone.

Although I wonder about that if I'm just doing something else in the garage and walk past the car. Is it gonna pop the door open every time?
Tim, on my MS I can set it so that it does or doesn't respond as I walk by. Especially with the MS, you don't want those motorized handles going in & out when you don't really want them to. Their reliability is not the strongest aspect of the car. There might be a similar setting on the ME.
 

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I still think it's an odd engineering decision by Ford. To open the door is actually a 2 step process. First hit the button and then grab the handle. Am I understanding that correctly?
I forgot to mention this.

The door does pop out when you push the button, you are not pulling a mechanical release on the front. It's just a handle pull, but the final shape is not known yet to the public.

They also put a capacitor in the door so if the 12 volt battery is dead the door can still open.
 

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I forgot to mention this.

The door does pop out when you push the button, you are not pulling a mechanical release on the front. It's just a handle pull, but the final shape is not known yet to the public.

They also put a capacitor in the door so if the 12 volt battery is dead the door can still open.

Correct. If instead of pulling on the handle while pressing button with thumb, one wanted to press the button and then open the door by the frame once it pops out, one could. In other words, it's technically not a two step process in the sense that you don't even have to use the handle if you wanted to ignore it -- it's only there as a grab point.
 

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Tim, on my MS I can set it so that it does or doesn't respond as I walk by. Especially with the MS, you don't want those motorized handles going in & out when you don't really want them to. Their reliability is not the strongest aspect of the car. There might be a similar setting on the ME.
But does that also disable the value of the feature for actually wanting to get into the car? Meaning, can it distinguish between "walk by" and "approaching to get in"? I'm assuming it's probably all-or-nothing, and can't tell the difference.
 

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I forgot to mention this.

The door does pop out when you push the button, you are not pulling a mechanical release on the front. It's just a handle pull, but the final shape is not known yet to the public.

They also put a capacitor in the door so if the 12 volt battery is dead the door can still open.
Tim mentioned that the presence of your phone would be detected by the car and that would result in it popping open a bit. So actually it seems to be a one-step process.
 

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Correct. If instead of pulling on the handle while pressing button with thumb, one wanted to press the button and then open the door by the frame once it pops out, one could. In other words, it's technically not a two step process in the sense that you don't even have to use the handle if you wanted to ignore it -- it's only there as a grab point.
I think that's the point though -- that you still have to grab the door somewhere to open it, which counts as one step. And if you have to also push the button, that's a 2nd step. As opposed to doing it all in one step as you can with most vehicles (like my Escape for instance where just putting your fingers inside the handle automatically unlocks the door so al you have to do is pull it open in one step).
 

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But does that also disable the value of the feature for actually wanting to get into the car? Meaning, can it distinguish between "walk by" and "approaching to get in"? I'm assuming it's probably all-or-nothing, and can't tell the difference.
Tim, correct, all or nothing. What I do when I'm in the garage is simply hang up my key inside. That eliminates false handle actions.
 

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I think that's the point though -- that you still have to grab the door somewhere to open it, which counts as one step. And if you have to also push the button, that's a 2nd step. As opposed to doing it all in one step as you can with most vehicles (like my Escape for instance where just putting your fingers inside the handle automatically unlocks the door so al you have to do is pull it open in one step).
Understood. Just clarifying that you don't have to press button and then pull handle to unlatch door as you would with most cars. In fact, although the Escape seems to be like our Volvo and Porsche, most new cars still have a touch sensitive button on the handle and then require the unlatch action. With the MME, one can grab handle with thumb up on button and do it all in one motion. We can argue as to whether that's two actions, or three, or worse than putting hand in handle to unlatch like in our cars. And, of course, this is all without knowing if there's going to be a way to program so that proximity will pop open door.
 
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I still think it's an odd engineering decision by Ford. To open the door is actually a 2 step process. First hit the button and then grab the handle. Am I understanding that correctly?
I think its genius. Hit the button with your thumb, and pull the handle -- one swift motion. Or you can grab the door frame. They stated that kids tend to open doors via the door frame anyway, and now that there is a pin that prevents it from shutting, they won't be smashing their fingers anyway.

Might be able to do it in one step, pressing the button with your RH thumb while pulling with your fingers.

But most of the time we probably won't even be using the button at all, if carrying a cell phone. It's supposed to have an option to unlock and pop open automatically when you get close with your cell phone.

Although I wonder about that if I'm just doing something else in the garage and walk past the car. Is it gonna pop the door open every time?
I seriously doubt the door will pop out on its own. If you look at this video, the mechanism pushes against the bottom of the door frame (I don't know what to call it). I don't think there is any way to pull it back in, and we've never seen this behavior in video.

 

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It is looking like the ultimate handles will be more substantial than those on the prototypes as more marketing photos like this one pop up. These do look a lot better.

rs-ford-mustang-mache-69.jpg
I remember in one of the ford videos, it was mentioned that the handle hides behind the air blockage of the mirror, so it doesn't add to the drag. I would love to see one of the MME wind tunnel studies, to see where the wind goes and how it is diverted in various places. I wouldn't mind seeing it in a computer study for that matter. This technology is amazing. They are able to get a pretty tall vehicle down to a rather low drag cooefficient. Cool.
 
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