Modifications to end nanny-car harassment, nagging & beeping annoyances?

[Murse-In-Airy]

Eye nanny gets disabled by turning off blue cruise to be hands only (forscan), and hands only has its fix. Other points covered.

Can you point me to that info? I didn’t find it via search and since I almost never drive in a hands free area, I would kinda like to fall back to the hand nanny only. I didn’t know there was a way to disable hands free with the accompanying eye nanny.

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[Mach1E]

Can you point me to that info? I didn’t find it via search and since I almost never drive in a hands free area, I would kinda like to fall back to the hand nanny only. I didn’t know there was a way to disable hands free with the accompanying eye nanny.

I wonder if a quicker fix would be to somehow cancel your Bluecruise subscription. I think then you would just have the lane centering hand nanny.

 

[kennethjk]

I can’t believe I just read all of this, must be because I am retired and not much else to do in the rain.

 

[Murse-In-Airy]

I wonder if a quicker fix would be to somehow cancel your Bluecruise subscription. I think then you would just have the lane centering hand nanny.

That was the version of blue cruise I liked. I was quite disappointed that when hands free was “activated” that even in a “no hands free zone” the eye nanny was still present. Looked at Connected Services it says to turn off the feature in the car settings da but that then disables lanes centering and adaptive (radar) cruise. I’ve been hoping that since the expiration shows 12/31/2023, that it will revert to the original hands-on BlueCruise while still leaving my adaptive cruise with lane centering.

 

[Mach1E]

That was the version of blue cruise I liked. I was quite disappointed that when hands free was “activated” that even in a “no hands free zone” the eye nanny was still present. Looked at Connected Services it says to turn off the feature in the car settings da but that then disables lanes centering and adaptive (radar) cruise. I’ve been hoping that since the expiration shows 12/31/2023, that it will revert to the original hands-on BlueCruise while still leaving my adaptive cruise with lane centering.

Yeah I’m hoping the same when the subscription runs out. If no “hands free,” I see no need for the eye nanny.

My wife’s aviator doesn’t have hands free and the hand nanny/lane centering works just fine.

I prefer the hands free for sure (even with the nanny).

Really odd that adaptive cruise and lane centering would somehow be connected to full hands free BC as they are separate things you pay for.

 

[generaltso]

That was the version of blue cruise I liked. I was quite disappointed that when hands free was “activated” that even in a “no hands free zone” the eye nanny was still present. Looked at Connected Services it says to turn off the feature in the car settings da but that then disables lanes centering and adaptive (radar) cruise. I’ve been hoping that since the expiration shows 12/31/2023, that it will revert to the original hands-on BlueCruise while still leaving my adaptive cruise with lane centering.

I believe that once the eye nanny is activated, you’re stuck with it, regardless of your BC subscription status. At least, there’s been no evidence to the contrary.

 

[kennethjk]

After further reflection and reading everything here, we finally have someone who is complaining that everything is working as intended. Beeping, noises etc. Etc.

normally people come here to complain that something doesn’t work.

me, I want to complain that when I turn off my auto headlight switch it always goes back to auto. Used to be it moved to on from auto. Now I turn it off and goes back to auto.

that’s progress.

 

[mkhuffman]

Full circle I guess.

You (or someone, can’t remember who at this point ) asked for studies and data to prove it. We posted multiple studies that draw the same exact conclusion and you just assume that “there has to be some other explanation” for the statistically significant difference in pedestrian crashes with hybrids and electric cars at low speeds.

The slower the speed the bigger the difference in increased crashes.

And that’s inside and outside the city.

Other than hybrids and electrics being QUIETER at low speeds, what possible explanation do you have.

And no, it’s not “because there are more in the city.” If that were the case, the huge difference wouldn’t happen just at slow speeds. And when they ONLY looked at big cities, that was the 20% difference. So it is accounted for. (Big city low speed crashes are 20% more common with BEVs and hybrids).

The worst part about that 20%? I would guarantee that hybrids and BEVs are much NEWER vehicles than the average ICE on the road and should have better crash avoidance tech (blind spot monitoring, backup cameras etc) and they still hit 20% more people in the city.

But again, even if you still choose to ignore the data, what logical argument do you have to prove a quiet car is just as safe as a louder one for a pedestrian? How could it possibly be safe if they can’t hear you coming?

I do understand why you wouldn’t like this debate. It’s because it’s personal. We are actually accusing you of doing something that endangers the people around you and is possibly illegal and/or opens you up to civil liability. They’re pretty serious allegations.

A little different than the typical “is the Tesla ugly” debates. ?

At the end of the day though, I honestly don’t feel as strongly about the topic as it may sound. I put this right in line with speeding (something everyone here does, is illegal, and endangers people around you).

I’m only still debating because there still seems to be a disagreement. I would do the same if anyone tried to argue that speeding is safe or legal. And to be clear…… I speed sometimes.

So I will concede that if my pedestrian speaker was turned on, and I approached someone walking his dogs on a quiet street, he would hear me approaching. In that same situation I did not hear the F150 approaching.

If you want to be consistent, we need to put fake noises on ALL vehicles, ICE included. (I think that F150 driver will be very pissed off when the government makes him add a noise machine to his truck.) I have no desire to see this happen, but I think it will based on how strongly people feel about it. And then what will we have? Horrible noise pollution all over the place, and people will tune it out and still get hit when they walk out in front of a car.

Do you want all cars to make those horrible sounds?

At some point there needs to be personal responsibility for the pedestrian and the driver. I go slowly when pedestrians are present, and I watch them in case they don't see me. But they also have a responsibility to look before they walk.

We cannot make the world idiot proof. And when we try, we all suffer. And when every car sounds like my MME with the speaker turned on, it will be a horrible mess. My quiet neighborhood won't be quiet any more. It is going to suck.

By the way, 20% fewer accidents, some of which are definitely due to something besides noise level, is so small. The text in the studies mentioned several times how small the number of HEV pedestrian accidents actually is compared with other accidents. We shouldn't ruin the peace in quiet just because of a small number of freak accidents.

A final point about speeding: if you speed, you should not be so adamant about the pedestrian speaker. Many, many more people are hurt in high speed accidents, and the faster you go, the worse the accident. So if you admit to speeding, I think you just lost your podium to stand on regarding this issue. Because what you are doing is much more dangerous than what I am doing.

I speed, BTW. But not in low speed areas where pedestrians are present. I will not speed in those areas, and it really bothers me when people come up behind me and want to go faster. THEY are the ones endangering the lives of pedestrians, not me with my quiet, slow car.

 

[Mach1E]

So I will concede that if my pedestrian speaker was turned on, and I approached someone walking his dogs on a quiet street, he would hear me approaching. In that same situation I did not hear the F150 approaching.

If you want to be consistent, we need to put fake noises on ALL vehicles, ICE included. (I think that F150 driver will be very pissed off when the government makes him add a noise machine to his truck.) I have no desire to see this happen, but I think it will based on how strongly people feel about it. And then what will we have? Horrible noise pollution all over the place, and people will tune it out and still get hit when they walk out in front of a car.

Do you want all cars to make those horrible sounds?

At some point there needs to be personal responsibility for the pedestrian and the driver. I go slowly when pedestrians are present, and I watch them in case they don't see me. But they also have a responsibility to look before they walk.

We cannot make the world idiot proof. And when we try, we all suffer. And when every car sounds like my MME with the speaker turned on, it will be a horrible mess. My quiet neighborhood won't be quiet any more. It is going to suck.

By the way, 20% fewer accidents, some of which are definitely due to something besides noise level, is so small. The text in the studies mentioned several times how small the number of HEV pedestrian accidents actually is compared with other accidents. We shouldn't ruin the peace in quiet just because of a small number of freak accidents.

A final point about speeding: if you speed, you should not be so adamant about the pedestrian speaker. Many, many more people are hurt in high speed accidents, and the faster you go, the worse the accident. So if you admit to speeding, I think you just lost your podium to stand on regarding this issue. Because what you are dong is much more dangerous than what I am doing.

I speed, BTW. But not in low speed areas where pedestrians are present. I will not speed in those areas, and it really bothers me when people come up behind me and want to go faster. THEY are the ones endangering the lives of pedestrians, not me with my quiet, slow car.

I think you kinda missed my point about bringing up speeding.

I’m not trying to change the laws.

I’m not trying to even convince anyone to change their behavior.

This is just simply an online debate about safety. And it seems pretty obvious at this point that the speaker is there for safety and makes the car safer in certain circumstances.

But, just like speeding a little…….. I really don’t think it’s that big of a deal.

But what I won’t do? Defend my actions about speeding. I’m won’t try to disparage a study that proves speeding is more dangerous. I won’t try to deflect and say that it’s “not speed that kills, it’s the distracted drivers, etc”

Why? Because I think the fact that the faster you go, the more dangerous it is…….. is just as obvious as the fact that a louder car is safer for pedestrians.

But again, not trying to change behavior, not trying to change the laws…….. just trying to drive that point home.

Why? Because isn’t that what half of Internet forums are about? Arguing about minutiae?

In the end, it’s a battle between noise pollution and pedestrian safety. The government picked the noise.

Why? Probably because pedestrian deaths have DOUBLED in the last decade. So since they can’t take everyone’s phones away, the easy fix was to make the quietest cars louder.

 

[mkhuffman]

I think you kinda missed my point about bringing up speeding.

I’m not trying to change the laws.

I’m not trying to even convince anyone to change their behavior.

This is just simply an online debate about safety. And it seems pretty obvious at this point that the speaker is there for safety and makes the car safer in certain circumstances.

But, just like speeding a little…….. I really don’t think it’s that big of a deal.

But what I won’t do? Defend my actions about speeding. I’m won’t try to disparage a study that proves speeding is more dangerous. I won’t try to deflect and say that it’s “not speed that kills, it’s the distracted drivers, etc”

Why? Because I think the fact that the faster you go, the more dangerous it is…….. is just as obvious as the fact that a louder car is safer for pedestrians.

But again, not trying to change behavior, not trying to change the laws…….. just trying to drive that point home.

Why? Because isn’t that what half of Internet forums are about? Arguing about minutiae?

In the end, it’s a battle between noise pollution and pedestrian safety. The government picked the noise.

Why? Probably because pedestrian deaths have DOUBLED in the last decade. So since they can’t take everyone’s phones away, the easy fix was to make the quietest cars louder.

I don't think making every car a giant noise machine will make a difference. It will just make it very noisy and people will ignore the noises, and they will still get hit. The increase in pedestrian accidents is not due to quiet HEVs. In fact, most all of them make stupid noises now. (Except mine! ?)

And I do not agree those studies are compelling enough to force every car to make fake noises. The conclusions are questionable, and they have not proved the cause is a lack of noise.

And I am only saying that because I actually read every word in those studies you posted. I am not just saying that to make myself feel better. Those studies are flawed, and the cause of higher accidents is NOT proven by them.

 

[Mach1E]

I don't think making every car a giant noise machine will make a difference. It will just make it very noisy and people will ignore the noises, and they will still get hit. The increase in pedestrian accidents is not due to quiet HEVs. In fact, most all of them make stupid noises now. (Except mine! ?)

And I do not agree those studies are compelling enough to force every car to make fake noises. The conclusions are questionable, and they have not proved the cause is a lack of noise.

And I am only saying that because I actually read every word in those studies you posted. I am not just saying that to make myself feel better. Those studies are flawed, and the cause of higher accidents is NOT proven by them.

It’s proven enough to make the government pass legislation based on them.

When you keep getting the same results from multiple studies (higher crash stats for quieter cars at lower speeds) and you start to get rid of other variables (like city vs out of the city)…….

What’s left are the possible causes.

And again, those hybrids and BEVs have better crash avoidance and detection technology than the average ICE…… and still hit more people.

But if it isn’t the sound, what other possible explanation do you have? How do you explain electric cars hitting more people at slow speeds?

That said, if the goal is to make them “as safe for pedestrians” as a gas car, I think they fell short. The pedestrian sounds are still quieter than a gas engine. But they are better than nothing.

And before you say it……. No. I don’t want them louder. I think they’re annoying too. Only reason I don’t turn mine off? I rarely drive with the windows down so I rarely hear them. Plus I don’t want to be 20% more likely to hit someone.

 

[kennethjk]

I guess this will never end.

as an FYI, some ice cars, MB to be one can’t be heard, why, it’s made to be quiet.

people ask if the MME is really quiet, answer is yes but really not that much more than some of my “luxury” cars. Not scientific just feel of the car.

anyway I don’t mind the noises that the MME makes, not just that big a deal but I can be sitting in my backyard and know when my wife’s backs out of the garage. That’s about 100 feet away and there’s a house blocking us, LOL . Doesn’t seem that loud when in the car.

 

[Mach1E]

I guess this will never end.

as an FYI, some ice cars, MB to be one can’t be heard, why, it’s made to be quiet.

people ask if the MME is really quiet, answer is yes but really not that much more than some of my “luxury” cars. Not scientific just feel of the car.

anyway I don’t mind the noises that the MME makes, not just that big a deal but I can be sitting in my backyard and know when my wife’s backs out of the garage. That’s about 100 feet away and there’s a house blocking us, LOL . Doesn’t seem that loud when in the car.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we found out that luxury cars hit more people.

Or if bigger cars (more blind spots) did too.

Just another thought about BEVs and hybrids hitting more people: typically they are mid sized vehicles with really good visibility……. So those things (along with the tech) should help avoid pedestrians. Making me think even more that it’s the lack of noise that’s to blame.

Another factor I just thought of: I would bet the typical BEV and electric driver skews more to middle aged (30-60 yr old) than other cars. People in those ages also have the best driving records. Gotta be the lack of noise.

 

[mkhuffman]

It’s proven enough to make the government pass legislation based on them.

Well if that is your bar, I am done. The government is populated by idiots and tyrants, and what they think deserves legislation is definitely not evidence of truth. Just the opposite, in fact.

The studies are dubious at best. Noisy cars are safer, maybe. But are noisy cars desirable? Nope.

 

[RickMachE]

Every vehicle should make noise as it approaches a pedestrial or cyclist.

It should blast out, in Samuel L. Jackson's voice " move out of the way mutherf$cker!"

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