Multiple Q&A hints from today's Discover your Mustang Mach E session

[macchiaz-o]

Which ones?

With 1-pedal driving, when do the brake lights come on?
⮑Moderator: When you release your foot from the pedal, the brakes are applied. Hence, your brake lights come on when you release the pedal.

Brake lights are the result of pressing the brake pedal, auto hold (without continuously pressing pedal), and deceleration force above some programmed threshold amount.

When the automatic wipers come on due to rain, do the headlights come on fully or will it only illuminate the daytime indicators?
⮑Moderator: Autolamp will turn the low beam headlamps on when the windshield wipers operate.

This one I'm not sure, but I've seen discussions here indicating that the wipers don't cause the headlights to turn on. The headlights turn on from other conditions though, mainly darkness.

When will remote opening of the frunk be included in the Power-Up OTAs?
⮑Moderator: Do due to a mechanical release, it can only be opened manually from inside the vehicle.

Still waiting on my MME SO is the frunk release mechanical? Surely most people on here would have known this, right?

There is a mechanical release in the driver footwell. There is also an electronic release that hasn't been enabled yet. We've been told by Darren Palmer that an update to enable the electronic release is expected in early 2021 (yes, that is in the past now). We've also been told that job 2 production vehicles will ship with the electronic release already enabled and the frunk dividers from job 1 are no longer present.

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[Jimrpa]

Brake lights are the result of pressing the brake pedal, auto hold (without continuously pressing pedal), and deceleration force above some programmed threshold amount.

Thanks. I’ll schedule my car for service, as I definitively know that my brake lights come on when I remove my foot from the accelerator. I’ve observed this.
Unless you are saying that every time I remove my foot from the accelerator, the deceleration force has been above some threshold amount (which must be very low when I’m backing out of my driveway). In that case, the threshold value being so small is causing the same end result. To the user, they’re indistinguishable. Is it an eggplant or an aubergine? ?

This one I'm not sure, but I've seen discussions here indicating that the wipers don't cause the headlights to turn on. The headlights turn on from other conditions though, mainly darkness.

I have no idea what the scheme is for the Mustang Mach E but, if I recall correctly, when the headlamps were set in auto mode, the low beams came on automagically with the wipers.

let’s see what the Owner’s Manual says:

Oh! The Owner’s Manual seems to say that they are turned on automatically with the wipers ?

There is a mechanical release in the driver footwell. There is also an electronic release that hasn't been enabled yet. We've been told by Darren Palmer that an update to enable the electronic release is expected in early 2021 (yes, that is in the past now). We've also been told that job 2 production vehicles will ship with the electronic release already enabled and the frunk dividers from job 1 are no longer present.

Has @Ford Motor Company confirmed the removal of the front trunk dividers? I probably just missed that, but I try to follow anything related to the front trunk (including dividers and remote opening) because remote opening would greatly increase the utility of the front trunk for me. (A primary use case is bringing purchases into my home from the garage and it happens that the door to my house is directly across from the front of my car, making the front trunk a logical place to stash purchases.)

 

[generaltso]

There is a electronic button inside the Frunk... are they saying that the button does not work?

Correct, that button does not currently work. That's why they gave us frunk dividers so that a person can't fit in the frunk.

 

[jojomontag]

Correct, that button does not currently work. That's why they gave us frunk dividers so that a person can't fit in the frunk.

Are you referring to the emergency button in the frunk? I believe it has to work by law since it was initiated due to some situation involving someone locked in a trunk by an abductor. I'll fact check, but all vehicles with a trunk must have this release working.

UPDATE: https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...hicle-safety-standards-interior-trunk-release

 

[macchiaz-o]

Thanks. I’ll schedule my car for service, as I definitively know that my brake lights come on when I remove my foot from the accelerator. I’ve observed this.
Unless you are saying that every time I remove my foot from the accelerator, the deceleration force has been above some threshold amount (which must be very low when I’m backing out of my driveway). In that case, the threshold value being so small is causing the same end result. To the user, they’re indistinguishable. Is it an eggplant or an aubergine?

I guess I'm assuming the programming incorporates the amount of jerk (derivative of acceleration), or it uses calibrated ramps of values that are different for different ranges of speed and/or incline.

I don't truly know though... But I suspect if I'm in Whisper 1PD and take my foot off the accelerator while travelling at 45 mph, the brake light might not immediately turn on? Has anyone tested something similar?

I agree with your other feedback too. I was being too harsh and going too much on heresay and personal experiences from other forum members.

 

[jojomontag]

I guess I'm assuming the programming incorporates the amount of jerk (derivative of acceleration), or it uses calibrated ramps of values that are different for different ranges of speed and/or incline.

I don't truly know though... But I suspect if I'm in Whisper 1PD and take my foot off the accelerator while travelling at 45 mph, the brake light might not immediately turn on? Has anyone tested something similar?

I agree with your other feedback too. I was being too harsh and going too much on heresay and personal experiences from other forum members.

I had my wife watch and tell me when she saw the brake lights come on, which was generally when I let up on the accelerator half way (not completely) and the regenerative resistance started to kick in.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

That PAAK answer is quite concerning. The vehicle should definitely be able to know the difference between 100+ feet vs sitting in the car. This would mean anyone who leaves their car outside their home should definitely not use PAAK.

This may be a Bluetooth issue not a car issue. Bluetooth has certain very real limitations, this might be one. But it is contrary to what we were told age and ages ago as @ChasingCoral pointed out.

So….. why is the frunk button appearing on the app and on the Synch system?

Photoshop.

This one I'm not sure, but I've seen discussions here indicating that the wipers don't cause the headlights to turn on. The headlights turn on from other conditions though, mainly darkness.

It sort of makes sense that they would come on with rain while in "auto." If it's raining, visibility is usually somewhat restricted and a bit dimmer. @Jimrpa pulled the quote from the manual too, so ...

All in all, that was a bit of a disappointing session I'd say @ChasingCoral. I'm being polite.

 

[generaltso]

Are you referring to the emergency button in the frunk? I believe it has to work by law since it was initiated due to some situation involving someone locked in a trunk by an abductor. I'll fact check, but all vehicles with a trunk must have this release working.

Yes, it's required to work by law IF a child can fit in the space. Since it doesn't currently work, Ford had to make sure a child could not fit in the space, hence the dividers. This has been discussed ad nauseum in other threads, so search around for more info.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

I've been staring at your avatar for 2 minutes now. It's a puzzle and it must be solved, dammit. I will keep watching the little movie until it stops.

Sorry. This reply is off topic. I have nothing useful to add here. *

* as is usually the case

there was a meme post that I thought was on here, but I'm not finding now, that was basically comparing different developers, Ford vs. Tesla vs. something else, I forget now what, and that picture was the Tesla one, versus something like this being the Ford one:

 

[fightinag]

Correct, that button does not currently work. That's why they gave us frunk dividers so that a person can't fit in the frunk.

My ex fit in there just fine.....all 125 pieces !

 

[RickMachE]

Didn't know there was another live streaming event. We watched the last one, and it wasn't very useful.

 

[ChasingCoral]

All in all, that was a bit of a disappointing session I'd say @ChasingCoral. I'm being polite.

Agreed.

 

[Jimrpa]

I guess I'm assuming the programming incorporates the amount of jerk (derivative of acceleration), or it uses calibrated ramps of values that are different for different ranges of speed and/or incline.

I don't truly know though... But I suspect if I'm in Whisper 1PD and take my foot off the accelerator while travelling at 45 mph, the brake light might not immediately turn on? Has anyone tested something similar?

I agree with your other feedback too. I was being too harsh and going too much on heresay and personal experiences from other forum members.

All good ? I do that too often myself! ? I would like to see @Ford Motor Company clarify the behavior so we understand it from a safety perspective. I don’t want some moron to read-end me then claim my brake lights weren’t on ?

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

All good ? I do that too often myself! ? I would like to see @Ford Motor Company clarify the behavior so we understand it from a safety perspective. I don’t want some moron to read-end me then claim my brake lights weren’t on ?

I've had several near hits in the past few days that have caused me to question the rear brake lights in 1pd. There's a turn I have to make when coming from the south off of a major surface street, the average speed is well above 50 (the speed limit) and the right turn is a bit more than 135 degrees. You need to slow way down. Several of the misses recently have been a foot or less. Now it's also a given that people can't be bothered to slow down for 15 seconds so they don't hit someone so it's not a given.

Usually in "Engaged" and always with 1pd on.

 

[Dear1nc]

FYI...I work for Ford. my work has nothing to do with the Mach e but they are asking employees to participate in an in cAr karaoke participation experience. I would guess this has to do with the mach E.

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