GM in the '90's was the worst Oldsmobile Cutlass, Cutlass Calais, Cutlass Ciera, Cutlass Supreme, Cutlass Cruiser, Cutlass Supreme and just plain Cutlass.
I only vaguely remember the oldmobiles. Were they completely different body and frame and were they sold at the same time with the same name?
Yes they where talking about deluding a name plate GM was king.
The Oldmobile is no longer built. It is extinct.
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You're in luck, Ford says they will produce a Shelby Mach-e. I don't know what their timeline is.There is a weird contrarianism that I could see coming along with buying the Mustang Mach E.
A lot of EV buyers will probably think it's fun to give the metaphorical finger to the old school, cat-less header-type Mustang guys who don't care about the environment. Just like the Tesla guys think it's funny to beat muscle cars at the strip, and tuned Ecoboost owners think it's funny to beat stock GTs. "We're better for the environment and we're still faster than you." That angle is fun for EV enthusiasts.
Even though I love ICE Mustangs, I can see the appeal in that.
I'd probably even be tempted to throw a Shelby badge and some racing stripes on a Mach E just to get a rise out of the purists.
My six year also said the same thing. "That's not a Mustang! How's that a Mustang?"I believe Falc'man was trying to make a point by using reverse logic
In reference to his point here - "Something not only recognizable as a Mustang but is a Mustang by name and by nature. ", it is my opinion the recognition of the styling as a Mustang presumes one is familiar with the 2-door coupe and convertible cues and that they translate to an SUV body style.
I tested this a bit today with a few friends who know me as a Ford Mustang owner. Each of them said "That's beautiful looking. What is that?" I said a Mustang. They said "that's not a Mustang, that's an SUV!" Mind you, none of these folks are heavy duty car enthusiasts. I showed them a picture of a few '60s cars and the current S550 coupe, then they said, "Oh, yeah, I see where it looks like it a bit".
If I boil down the consternation of many and the continued opportunity for demonstration it is a Mustang, it's because of the shape of the body. It will take awhile for even the general public to come to an understanding of this. All of us here on this forum, whether we have an existing 2-door body style car or not, are more in the know because of our enthusiasm. I wish Ford had really enrolled more of the existing customer base in the sudden transition. I understand that might not be possible without worry about keeping things confidential, but perhaps it would have helped some. Or maybe not...
For me currently, I now say the Mustang has a 2-door body style in coupe and convertible form and a 4-door body style in SUV form. As a side note, I think it's a crossover in size, so I actually would have liked Ford to say your Mustang can come in 3 flavors - coupe, convertible, crossover!
If Ford had applied this logic in 1964 1/2, then there wouldn't be a Mustang, it would have been a Falcon or a Fairlane. Ford has launched new model names all the time through out their history. It is necessary to avoid confusion. I think this time it might be for a different reason within the Ford organization, or maybe they just wanted to decorate it with the Mustang cues.
This is what is in dispute, right? It makes "business sense" but does it make "customer sense" since they are the ones who a) advocate for your business, and b) possibly even generate the sales.
With this I agree. This is a turning point for Ford, more so than with the other EVs they done in the past number of years.
If you believe the reactions now, one might say it is not. There's a lot of people struggling with a change in the "brand identity", which now causes them to say that heritage no longer matters because of this drastic change.
At that time, the marketplace was for a "youth car". Now, the marketplace seems to be for NOT a "youth car", at least the way a SUV (I think it's a CUV, by the way), is interpreted.
Is it fake or disrupted? The "heritage" as thought of by many is "2-door" with sportiness and an aspirational vehicle. This body style is significantly different because of "4-door". For me personally, when I see the old prototypes from the '60s of a station wagon and 4-door, it's a bit easier to say it's in the heritage. That's somewhat like the Corvette's case when switching to the mid-engined architecture, although there were more concepts over its time in the market.
Yes, this is a give-and-take situation for Ford's long-term viability as a money-making enterprise. I need to see this vehicle in person to get an idea of its look and proportions, but right now for many, as beautiful as the style is, there are many who don't think it remains true to the name because of the body style change and what it implies in people's minds (at least in this market) - a "soccer mom" vehicle.
That picture looks like a Porsche Urus, lol.This is what is in dispute, right? It makes "business sense" but does it make "customer sense" since they are the ones who a) advocate for your business, and b) possibly even generate the sales.
One thing I sometimes don't think about is how people outside of North America connect to this vehicle. I have seen some reaction that is similar to people I personally know here in the States. I halve also seen some be excited about the extension of Mustang to a different body style vehicle too.
With this I agree. This is a turning point for Ford, more so than with the other EVs they done in the past number of years.
If you believe the reactions now, one might say it is not. There's a lot of people struggling with a change in the "brand identity", which now causes them to say that heritage no longer matters because of this drastic change.
At that time, the marketplace was for a "youth car". Now, the marketplace seems to be for NOT a "youth car", at least the way a SUV (I think it's a CUV, by the way), is interpreted.
I see you own a Corvette Z51. If a different body style vehicle was introduced as a Corvette, what would your reaction be? You likely have seen this rendering. It looks attractive. I could forsee very similar reactions by long-time Corvette owners as we see with this vehicle if someone identified this as new Corvette variant.
