New Forbes Article

[jhalkias]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brooke...-fords-electric-car-could-be-cool-competitor/

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[ab13]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brooke...-fords-electric-car-could-be-cool-competitor/

Too bad the chart info is not accurate. Is there really a difference in cargo space between Mach E models? The Model Y price and performance are for different models, showing the larger range and lower price for the higher accelerating model, which is a highe price and lower range.

 

[macchiaz-o]

Will be nice when real test drive articles from good journalists begin to arrive.

This one is a trivial comparison of a few easy-access paper specs. And it wrongly equates self-driving to arbitrarily compared/selected ADAS systems.

 

[timbop]

sorry, this chart is full of errors/inconsistencies, and the text is unclear as well. Anyone reading that article would walk away with a completely incorrect impression of capabilities of both cars in all respects

 

[Mach Daddy]

Too bad the chart info is not accurate. Is there really a difference in cargo space between Mach E models? The Model Y price and performance are for different models, showing the larger range and lower price for the higher accelerating model, which is a highe price and lower range.

I thought it was only the case for the GT with two big motors.

 

[RyZt]

Is there really a difference in cargo space between Mach E models?

Yes, according to spec numbers on Ford website (since the numbers were updated in late June)

The cargo numbers are wrong because the Model Y number includes the frunk but the Mach E number does not (Mach E frunk is 4.7 cu ft)

this chart is full of errors/inconsistencies

I’m annoyed whenever I see pricing comparisons that don’t take into account Federal tax credit. This unfair comparison gives a Model Y $7500 advantage.

On the other hand, this article compares Model Y AWD with Mach E RWD. Giving Mach E a $2700 advantage.

And then the table went on to compare Model Y Performance 0-60 number (3.5 s) with 5 seconds (the authos interpretation of mid-5 seconds in Mach E AWD).

I get it that Manufacturer ads like to mix price of base trim with spec of top trim, but why is Forbes doing that.

 

[timbop]

I get it that Manufacturer ads like to mix price of base trim with spec of top trim, but why is Forbes doing that.

I wonder the exact same thing. I assume it is laziness on the part of the author, as this is a short and superficial fluff piece. Or, it is an intentional obfuscation.

 

[macchiaz-o]

I assume it is laziness on the part of the author, as this is a short and superficial fluff piece.

This was my impression. I was disappointed that Emma Bergg chose to share it via tweet.

Checking Brooke's other article headlines, they nearly all seem to be of the same low standard, like most of Forbes online. I don't understand why some respectable journalists choose to publish there.

 

[jlauro]

It is 288 cells vs. 376 cells. The ER does have the upper 88 cell battery pack hump, maybe you can get the space back for extra cargo space on the short range version? It would be close to the same size as the frunk...

 

[RyZt]

It is 288 cells vs. 376 cells. The ER does have the upper 88 cell battery pack hump, maybe you can get the space back for extra cargo space on the short range version? It would be close to the same size as the frunk...

The cargo space differemce is between RWD and AWD, not SR and ER. There was some discussion at https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/tech-spec-adjustments.951/

 

[ajmartineau]

What is the voltage of the pack? I don't recall seeing that.

 

[macchiaz-o]

What is the voltage of the pack? I don't recall seeing that.

~400V

 

[ajmartineau]

Thanks, I knew that the MME is a 400v architecture vehicle. I'm curious about the exact number since we have the number of cells, we might be able to figure out the configuration.

 

[macchiaz-o]

(updated with correct link)

The most detail I've seen so far on the pack is in this article:

https://jalopnik.com/a-look-at-the-engineering-behind-the-2021-ford-mustang-1839911078

 

[jlauro]

This article has the pack voltage just under 350v.
https://electricrevs.com/2019/11/17/ford-mustang-mach-e-mainstreams-the-electric-crossover-suv/

(so 3 or 4 in parallel group, and then 94-96 of those in series).
https://electricrevs.com/2019/11/18/mustang-mach-e-powertrain-up-close-and-personal/

Anyways, I am sure someone will do a tear down once it hits the streets and get more detailed info....

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