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[MailGuy]

Hydro power has been around since flour mills and has wiped out nothing compared to climate change due to coal burning? You are looking for one with no impact like wind turbines that kill bats and raptors and does not really have the technology to generate consistent power; even if the wind blows? You really think wind and solar can generate enough power to power a state let alone a country? I got some good snake oil for sale if you need some. For a nuclear power country they sure don't use it wisely. What do you think California is powering L.A. with wind? Tree hugging has to come along with a bit of technology if we will dig ourselves out. Pushing coal power over the power of water makes no sense. Coal good less impact than vehicles; water no good need to build locks for salmon to spawn and will be the ruin of us. Your stance sounds like a personal one.

Power Gen an't wind.

Cali 2019, Ontario, Oregon

LA is actually a primary beneficiary of the hydro plants in the PNW:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_DC_Intertie

The intertie is a surprising example of long distance transmission of DC electricity.

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[Shayne]

LA is actually a primary beneficiary of the hydro plants in the PNW:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_DC_Intertie

The intertie is a surprising example of long distance transmission of DC electricity.

Thanks for the conformation; as I said not wind.

 

[ChasingCoral]

from https://www.greencarreports.com/new...lectric-trucks-for-us-at-south-carolina-plant
Arrival will make its stylish electric trucks for US at South Carolina plant

STEPHEN EDELSTEIN OCTOBER 15, 2020 1 COMMENT
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UK-based startup Arrival announced Tuesday that it had selected a site in South Carolina for a "microfactory" to build electric buses.

The $46 million factory will be located in Rock Hill, South Carolina, and will create 240 jobs in the area, an Arrival press release said.

Arrival uses the term "microfactory" to describe small, decentralized facilities where it plans to build electric vehicles. The startup believes these smaller factories allow it to tailor production to specific regional needs, while boosting local economies through tax revenue and use of local labor pools and supply chains.

Use of a localized supply chain will also lower the overall environmental impact of vehicle production, Arrival said.

No specific reasons behind the decision to locate in South Carolina were disclosed, but the current state government has been friendly to automakers. Volvo and Mercedes-Benz recently opened factories near Charleston—the latter to build vans.

Arrival has shown its own stylish electric delivery vans, but the South Carolina factory will initially build buses, the company said. Arrival unveiled its electric bus earlier this year, saying at the time that it would be priced the same as a comparable diesel bus. Production at the South Carolina factory is scheduled to start in the fourth quarter of 2021.


Arrival electric delivery van for UPS

In February, Arrival also announced a deal to supply 10,000 electric delivery vans to UPS. Hyundai and Kia also announced a joint $110 million investment in the company in January.

Arrival will be vying for some of the same business won by Rivian, with its recently revealed vans designed for Amazon. Rivian is contracted to build 100,000 of the vans for the online retail giant by 2030 and, unlike Arrival, it also has plans for consumer vehicles. The Rivian R1T pickup truck and R1S SUV are scheduled to start production in 2021.

 

[ClaudeMach-E]

Purolator is lauching new vehicles for the last mile delivery in Toronto and Montreal, one is a cargobike and one is a slow speed vehicle (I would think it would not go faster then 50km/h-30mi/h) I don't know how the bikes will do in 10cm-4in of snow.

https://www.newswire.ca/fr/news-rel...rc-de-vehicules-sans-emissions-801271134.html

 

[ClaudeMach-E]

And what about an airplane, this one is actually build in Slovenia
https://www.urbanairmobilitynews.co...ountrys-first-electric-aircraft-into-service/

 

[Shayne]

And what about an airplane, this one is actually build in Slovenia
https://www.urbanairmobilitynews.co...ountrys-first-electric-aircraft-into-service/

And they think us new BEV's adopters have range anxiety .

 

[ClaudeMach-E]

And what about the Thomas in us aboiut trucks?
https://insights.globalspec.com/art...bon-footprint-by-87-in-first-month-of-service

 

[Shayne]

And what about the Thomas in us aboiut trucks?
https://insights.globalspec.com/art...bon-footprint-by-87-in-first-month-of-service

That is gr8 to see. Early tech, it is just starting, still so much room for growth. Bet it only gets better as time goes on. There is so many applications and we should get to affordable solid state.

 

[dbsb3233]

And what about the Thomas in us aboiut trucks?
https://insights.globalspec.com/art...bon-footprint-by-87-in-first-month-of-service

Wish they'd have included some details about distances and charging times. The overall fleet may run round-the-clock but each vehicle can't. Unless they're using replaceable batteries, or came up with some super-fast refueling (similar to diesel refuel time).

 

[ClaudeMach-E]

Harley back to it's roots?

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/products/bikes/future-vehicles/e-bicycles.html ?

 

[Shayne]

Ye

Harley back to it's roots?

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/products/bikes/future-vehicles/e-bicycles.html ?

That's kinda like an electric mustang . Now I ride a Harley ? to the corner store ?? Looks a bit like pee wee's bike. Back to the future.

 

[ClaudeMach-E]

Volvo Trucks announces launch of it's VNR Electric in US/Canada build at it's New River Valley plant in Dublin, Virginia US in December 2020. Yep Tesla will not be alone, even in the truck industries they will have much competition now.
https://www.transport-magazine.com/...11_13h00&mc_cid=3d73d12c8f&mc_eid=1340ca453a#

Note: In the upper right corner of the article you can switch to English/French.

 

[ClaudeMach-E]

Ford news regarding the E Transit and the E F-150 ?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/autos/ford-adding-350-jobs-at-2-plants-to-make-electric-vehicles-1.5182338

 

[ChasingCoral]

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envi...c-cars-trucks-buses-daimler-volvo-vw-charging
Big electric trucks and buses are coming. Here’s how to speed up the transition.
Financing, policy, and private sector tools can fund vehicle costs and new charging infrastructure.
By David Roberts@drvox[email protected] Nov 19, 2020, 10:10am EST

Tesla semi. Tesla
There’s a growing consensus in the climate change community that the key to transitioning the US economy from fossil fuels is to electrify everything — shift the electricity grid over to carbon-free power and shift other big polluting sectors like transportation and heating over to electricity.
When it comes to transportation, electrification is going to be tricky. Not long ago, the consensus was that the cost and power limitations of batteries would make it difficult to fully electrify anything larger than passenger vehicles.
But batteries have been progressing in leaps and bounds. Full electrification is still beyond the reach of huge vehicles, the long-distance airliners and container ships, but recently it has become a possibility for a large and significant category of vehicles in the middle: medium- and heavy-duty trucks and buses.
According to the Environmental Protection Agency, just 6 percent of the registered vehicles on US roads in 2018 were medium- and heavy-duty, but they were responsible for 23 percent of transportation-sector greenhouse gas emissions (about 7 percent of total US emissions).
Since they mostly run on diesel engines, they also produce enormous amounts of air and noise pollution, which fall disproportionately on low-income and communities of color that may live closer to highways and are more likely to use buses. Long-haul trucks alone, while responsible for less than 6 percent of vehicle miles traveled on US highways, produce about 40 percent of its particulate pollution and 55 percent of its nitrogen oxides.
The global toll is immense: 180,000 deaths a year from diesel pollution.

Annual deaths and years of life lost from diesel pollution. Hewlitt Foundation
That’s where medium- and heavy-duty electric trucks (MHDETs) come in. They are quiet, emit zero tailpipe pollution, and draw power from an increasingly clean electricity grid. An impossible dream a decade ago, they are now the subject of fierce competition from big automakers like Daimler, Volvo, VW, and Tesla, with multiple models slated to hit the road in coming years.
As countries across the world start cracking down on carbon emissions — and cities ramp up their fight against diesel pollution — there’s going to be an enormous market for clean alternatives. According to the Department of Transportation, there are over 14 million large trucks and buses on US roads. Wood Mackenzie expects the number of electric trucks on US roads to rise from 2,000 in 2019 to more than 54,000 by 2025, around 27 times growth. The research firm IDTechEx expects the MHDET market to reach $47 billion by 2030.

Demand is partly being driven by big fleet owners like Amazon, Walmart, Ikea, Anheuser-Busch, and Pepsi, which are transitioning to MHDETs. (Amazon recently ordered 100,000 electric delivery vans.)
Policymakers are helping, too. In July, governors of 15 states signed a memorandum agreeing to set up a MHDET task force, develop an action plan, and jointly “strive to make sales of all new medium- and heavy-duty vehicles in our jurisdictions zero emission vehicles by no later than 2050,” and in the interim, “strive to make at least 30 percent of all new medium- and heavy-duty vehicle sales in our jurisdictions zero emission vehicles by no later than 2030.” New York City, Los Angeles, Houston, and other cities are already exploring electric buses.
And don’t forget Jeff Bezos. One of his big climate gifts was $100 million over five years to the World Resources Institute, which will use it in part on a program to electrify school buses. Before him was the Hewlett Foundation’s 2020 Zero Emission Road Freight Strategy 2020-2025.

A Volvo FH electric truck. Volvo
MHDETs are gaining momentum and there is every reason to believe that they will come to dominate the market. But societies do not have to simply sit back, watch markets, cross their fingers, and hope for the best. They can accelerate the spread of MHDETs — and their associated health and climate benefits — by targeting the many barriers that remain in a smart, proactive way.
To get a better sense of those barriers and opportunities, let’s look at two reports that were recently released on the subject, one from the Electrification Coalition (a collection of businesses and nonprofits) and one from the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF). Both focus on the challenges of electrifying MHDETs and how to overcome them.
The total cost of fleet electrification remains high
The purchasers of big buses and trucks are not typically buying single vehicles. They are almost all managers of fleets of vehicles. So the question of whether to electrify goes beyond whether the next truck might be cheaper electric. Electrifying a fleet is a big, complicated process that involves buying and installing new charging infrastructure and changing operational procedures, in the face of considerable uncertainty and risk.
EDF offers a framework that tries to pull all these costs and risks together into a single metric: the total cost of electrification (TCE). TCE goes beyond the conventional metric of total cost of ownership (TCO), meant to be inclusive of capital, operations, and infrastructure costs, to include less quantifiable social, operational, and even psychological costs.

So what are these barriers to MHDETs? The Electrification Coalition identifies nine:
1. Higher upfront vehicle costs and associated tariffs
Several surveys have found that the higher upfront costs associated with fleet electrification — not only the vehicles but the associated infrastructure — are the primary deterrent for fleet managers. And upfront costs are higher today, though that is changing. Bloomberg New Energy Finance expects medium-duty EVs to reach cost parity by 2025 and heavy-duty EVs by 2030.
Here’s a graph from the Hewlett Foundation showing when TCO parity will be reached by various kinds of electric trucks. Note that all classes of EV trucks will be cheaper on a TCO basis by 2030:

Hewlett Foundation
In addition, new heavy-duty trucks face a steep (12 percent) federal excise tax, which is even more on the higher-price EVs.
“The near-term higher upfront costs associated with MHDETs are likely to remain a substantial barrier to fleets for the next five to 10 years,” the Coalition writes.
2. Costly and complex charging infrastructure processes
Fleet managers are daunted by the complicated considerations involved in determining how much charging infrastructure is needed to support a fleet of MHDETs, finding a way to pay for it, and then fighting through the siting, permitting, and interconnecting hassles.
3. Early market and limited model availability versus limited fleet demand
Because there hasn’t been much regulatory pressure and MHDETs are relatively new and untested, fleet managers have been wary and demand has been low; because demand has been low, there are limited models and options available. (This should change soon as models roll out in coming years.)
4. Entrenched market advantages of diesel trucks

Diesel has been playing a big role in commercial transportation for a century; consequently, the vehicles, supply chains, and service networks are well-developed. MHDETs are newer and still trying to work all that stuff out.
5. Commercial and industrial electricity rate structures not aligned to charging needs
On average, electricity is a cheaper fuel than gas or diesel, but that cost advantage can be eroded or erased by bad rate design, with fixed rates or high peak charges.
6. Lack of verified data on total cost of ownership and performance specifications
Because there aren’t that many MHDETs on the road, and pre-production models don’t release their specs, it can be difficult for fleet managers to verify whether particular MHDETs can meet their fleet’s operational needs.
7. Limited availability of certified service centers and technicians
Again, because this is nascent technology, there aren’t many support services and trained technicians — that’s a major problem when it comes to these big vehicles because they tend to be used intensely and require continual support.
8. Concerns with grid resiliency
As more fleets electrify, there are greater concerns about the pressure put on electrical infrastructure that is in some cases already under stress, especially in congested areas. “Without proactive evaluation and investment to support these potential grid and generation upgrades,” the Coalition writes, “the transition to electrified freight could see significant delays and infrastructure impediments.”
9. Antiquated vehicle and facility ownership structures
Many fleet operators use leased facilities that may not have the infrastructure to handle electrification, and even if they can persuade the owners to allow upgrades, they have little incentive to take on all the costs for a property they don’t own. The cost of facility upgrades needs to be shared, perhaps with utilities as well.

As you can see, some of these problems involve “hard costs” like equipment and infrastructure, some involve “soft costs” like operational changes, and others are simply risks, which impose costs of their own. Fleet managers are not hyper-rational interest maximizers. They have limited knowledge, time, mental energy, and staff to devote to these questions. These frictions and uncertainties — about infrastructure, battery performance, maintenance costs, shifting public policies — can easily become overwhelming. The old ways of doing things, maintaining and ordering more diesel vehicles, have their own inertia.

Measures to accelerate MHDETs must target the full range of barriers.
Financing and policy tools can hasten the spread of electric trucks and buses
There are lots of financing, policy, and private-sector tools that can reduce the barriers to fleet electrification. Both reports get pretty deep in the weeds, so I will just briefly summarize. The Electrification Coalition offers the simplest way of dividing up the toolkit:
1. Policy
Local, state, and federal governments can all takes steps to boost MHDETs, including targets for vehicle sales, programs to fund and expand charging infrastructure, clean fuel standards (like California’s), and purchase incentives, among others.
2. Utilities
Utilities can set up programs that support private investment in vehicle charging infrastructure. They can more carefully and comprehensively assess the impact of EV growth on electricity demand, in order to plan and invest wisely. Perhaps most of all, they can reform electricity rates to be friendlier to electric fleets.
3. Supply chain
Participants in the MHDET supply chain can work to ease frictions as well. They can standardize charging connectors, invest in smart, networked EV charging management software, take proactive steps to guard against upstream supply disruptions (by diversifying materials), and set up a network of MHDET service centers and trained technicians.
4. Corporations
Corporations that want to clean up their operations can set deployment goals for MHDETs and run pilot programs for new vehicles and networks. They can combine fleet orders and make big purchase commitments to help drive economies of scale.
5. Collaboration
All the aforementioned parties will need to work together to share knowledge and best practices, technical and funding support, and outreach to the public and other stakeholders.

An electric County Connection bus passing through an intersection in downtown Walnut Creek, California, in June 2019. Smith Collection/Gado/Getty Images
This barely scratches the surface, of course. (EDF has its own extensive list of tools.) But it gives a sense of the breadth of instruments and participants involved. All that’s required to drive MHDETs to market scale is the leadership to get this kind of cooperative action moving.
Unlike a carbon price, real industrial policy is going to be complicated and messy
For many years, climate policy wonks looked at the vast array of economic sectors and activities that must change in order to substantially reduce carbon emissions and concluded that the best and most efficient way forward was to change them all at once, with a single instrument: a price on carbon. Pulling on that one lever would move every part of the economy in concert. It is an elegant dream.

The fixation on carbon pricing lives on in many quarters, but for many climate hawks the elegant dream does not match how politics or people actually operate. What has worked in the past, and is likely to work in the future, is industrial policy: targeted, sector-specific efforts to accelerate some technologies and practices and phase others out. Industrial policy is at the heart of the new climate policy alignment on the left, evident in the Green New Deal, in the many policy platforms and proposals that spilled out of it, and in President-elect Joe Biden’s climate plan.
Industrial policy doesn’t look like an elegant dream. It looks like these reports on MHDETs.
It requires a detailed understanding of the dynamics within the sector, the key barriers to change, and the kinds of tools that have proven effective against such barriers. The barriers can be technological, they can grow out of archaic practices or regulations, or they can be socio-psychological. There’s no way to understand them and the opportunities for overcoming them until the stakeholders are heard, the data is crunched, and the analysis is done. It’s a hands-on, labor-intensive affair, especially if done well.

A Walmart electric truck. Walmart
And because it involves so much effort from so many parties, it’s inevitably messy to implement, full of compromises and half-measures, rarely optimized to an economist’s satisfaction.
But throughout American history, industrial policy has produced wonders, from transistors and computers to pharmaceuticals, renewable energy, and, uh, fracking. If the US can muster the will, it can engineer a rapid transition from diesel trucks and buses to electric. It has done much bigger things than that.
The clean-energy transition will be accomplished not by any one policy, but sector by sector, fighting for every inch. Electrifying trucks and buses is worth the fight.

 

[Thevanin]

The $50K Electric Monarch Tractor Can Plow a Field Without You and Run for 10 Hours (thedrive.com)

This just popped up in my news feed. It seems pretty cool. 10 hours of battery life, self-driving, and has neat follow me and gesture modes.

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