Self-Driving Capability Timeline?

[dbsb3233]

Good read on Ford's investment:

The Relentless Startup Fast-Tracking Ford’s Self-Driving Cars
https://www.wired.com/story/relentl..._medium=email&utm_source=nl&utm_term=list1_p2

"After initial periods of nervousness, Googlers invited to test the tech got comfortable, and then too comfortable. Urmson watched them play on their phones, dig around the back seat, and fall asleep as they galloped down the highway at 65 mph in prototype machines. He and his teammates realized that the only safe way to deploy their tech was to take it to its logical conclusion: eliminate the human as driver.

A newly configured vehicle dubbed Firefly embodied that ambition. No steering wheel. No pedals."


Exactly! That's where fully autonomous is logically heading. Not private cars, but commercial fleets that don't even have a steering wheel or a driver's seat.

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[SJ_Okay]

Exactly! That's where fully autonomous is logically heading. Not private cars, but commercial fleets that don't even have a steering wheel or a driver's seat.

100%. This is why I can’t understand why Tesla drivers are willing to pay for a feature they can’t fully use, just so it can gather their data to use it in a commercial fleet enterprise which they’re likely to have no involvement in. I find it strange that Tesla actually even charge people for this “privilege”, but even more bizarre that people are willing to pay so much for it.

 

[Billyk24]

Tesla marketing. Profits for Tesla. FSD is just that. Most Tesla owners do not know about the competition and assume (as stated on the forums) Tesla is years ago. Article does not state that VW has invested 2.5billion in Argo Al.

 

[GregM]

I work for Dominion Energy - we are testing a fully autonomous EV shuttle in Fairfax County, Va...makes a small mile loop route...should be interesting to see how people take to it.

 

[RobB]

Or: "I'm driving for hours down the highway to get somewhere and want to be able to stretch and change position for comfort". Not having to touch the wheel significantly helps that situation, as you'd be able to relax and stretch your arms - for me cruise control is a godsend for being able to shift and move my legs on a long drive. The only caveat is that it shouldn't turn off the lane keeping if I look to the side to read a billboard/sign for 10 seconds - it should just beep/announce that I should look forward.

Argumentative, for the sake of being...?

Or: "I'm driving for hours down the highway to get somewhere and want to be able to stretch and change position for comfort". Not having to touch the wheel significantly helps that situation, as you'd be able to relax and stretch your arms - for me cruise control is a godsend for being able to shift and move my legs on a long drive. The only caveat is that it shouldn't turn off the lane keeping if I look to the side to read a billboard/sign for 10 seconds - it should just beep/announce that I should look forward.

Until I saw the other slightly snarky post about NA plant restart, I hadn't bothered replying...

Commenting like that just solidifies the "Ugly Americans" opinion.

Hope our paths never cross when you're daydreaming at billboards.

 

[timbop]

Argumentative, for the sake of being...?

Until I saw the other slightly snarky post about NA plant restart, I hadn't bothered replying...

Commenting like that just solidifies the "Ugly Americans" opinion.

Hope our paths never cross when you're daydreaming at billboards.

Wow, really? I was not being argumentative at all- i hate driving long stretches on the highway because it is uncomfortable to me. I have a 2 hour commute to work. I am specifically looking forward to that feature because my wife is afraid to fly, so we either cruise or drive to vacations. I have read that other da systems shut off automatically if they decide youre not paying attention enough, and mercedes even hits the brakes. That seems far more dangerous than me looking at a billboard for 5 seconds while the autonomous system is maintaning a safe distance in front of me on a relatively open road. I would submit that even you have read a billboard while driving.

as for identifying snarky ugly americans, perhaps a look in a mirror?

 

[Billyk24]

Cars today sometimes feature adaptive cruise control which is basically what you are stating. The Mach E is suppose to have a camera facing the driver to provide additional input for system control(?) and for other and future issues/control?

 

[timbop]

Argumentative, for the sake of being...?

Until I saw the other slightly snarky post about NA plant restart, I hadn't bothered replying...

Commenting like that just solidifies the "Ugly Americans" opinion.

Hope our paths never cross when you're daydreaming at billboards.

Ah, I finally figured out the "ugly american" reference. You meant to quote this sentence:

OK, I am thoroughly confused. It seems in the "dutch people" thread that they are being compelled to finalize their orders in the next week....

In that sentence the "dutch people" is a an abbreviation of and hyperlink to the thread entitled "dutch people who ordered a mach E". That title was chosen by a dutch person who started the thread looking to discuss the situation in the netherlands with others who in fact live there and where facing the same pressure to immediately convert their reservations to orders. Many of the posts are even written in dutch.

In retrospect I can see how one who didn't click the link to see the thread title might think the use of "dutch people" in that sentence (particularly since it was quoted) was akin to saying something like "those people". That is not that case at all; rather than being an ugly american I was being a lazy one who didn't bother to type the whole thread title.

Frankly, the use of that term has bothered me all day. I lived on an army base in Stuttgart for 8 years when my dad was a civilian employee of the army, and he made a point to make sure we acclimated as much as possible so we weren't the typical "ugly americans". He and my mother learned german, and when we visited non-germanic countries he made a point to try to learn as many phrases as possible instead of expecting the populace to speak english just for us.

 

[pbojanoski]

Ah, I finally figured out the "ugly american" reference. You meant to quote this sentence:


In that sentence the "dutch people" is a an abbreviation of and hyperlink to the thread entitled "dutch people who ordered a mach E". That title was chosen by a dutch person who started the thread looking to discuss the situation in the netherlands with others who in fact live there and where facing the same pressure to immediately convert their reservations to orders. Many of the posts are even written in dutch.

In retrospect I can see how one who didn't click the link to see the thread title might think the use of "dutch people" in that sentence (particularly since it was quoted) was akin to saying something like "those people". That is not that case at all; rather than being an ugly american I was being a lazy one who didn't bother to type the whole thread title.

Frankly, the use of that term has bothered me all day. I lived on an army base in Stuttgart for 8 years when my dad was a civilian employee of the army, and he made a point to make sure we acclimated as much as possible so we weren't the typical "ugly americans". He and my mother learned german, and when we visited non-germanic countries he made a point to try to learn as many phrases as possible instead of expecting the populace to speak english just for us.

Nice post @timbop. I also think we, as a society, need to give people a little "benefit of the doubt" and not always assume it is a pejorative phrase. People have different experiences. Many don't even know that they said something "sensitive". I know I don't when I read or hear things that were deemed insensitive. Clearly you didn't have any ill will here, assuming that was the reason for the "ugly American" comment in the first place.

I, personally, assume everyone is being nice unless it is clear by there actions that they are not. And if they aren't being nice, not dealing with them is my take. No point in getting upset at an idiot, in my mind. People also have bad days or bad moments and shouldn't be defined by them.

Again, it is obvious that you are trying to be a good person based on that post, but I think many force us to feel bad when we didn't intend any harm. We need to ask ourselves more whether we really believe the intent is bad and whether we should care before we decide to be offended and respond in kind. This is another and maybe better form of kindness and tolerance.

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[Cvdbos]

Ah, I finally figured out the "ugly american" reference. You meant to quote this sentence:


In that sentence the "dutch people" is a an abbreviation of and hyperlink to the thread entitled "dutch people who ordered a mach E". That title was chosen by a dutch person who started the thread looking to discuss the situation in the netherlands with others who in fact live there and where facing the same pressure to immediately convert their reservations to orders. Many of the posts are even written in dutch.

In retrospect I can see how one who didn't click the link to see the thread title might think the use of "dutch people" in that sentence (particularly since it was quoted) was akin to saying something like "those people". That is not that case at all; rather than being an ugly american I was being a lazy one who didn't bother to type the whole thread title.

Frankly, the use of that term has bothered me all day. I lived on an army base in Stuttgart for 8 years when my dad was a civilian employee of the army, and he made a point to make sure we acclimated as much as possible so we weren't the typical "ugly americans". He and my mother learned german, and when we visited non-germanic countries he made a point to try to learn as many phrases as possible instead of expecting the populace to speak english just for us.

Hello Timbop, I'm Dutch and I simply even don't understand the fuzz about the expression "Dutch people".
When you use that term, you simple adress me, that's all.
So please don't think you did something wrong or ugly. I think there is no one in the Netherlands that is offended or even understand that he could/should be offended.

 

[timbop]

Hello Timbop, I'm Dutch and I simply even don't understand the fuzz about the expression "Dutch people".
When you use that term, you simple adress me, that's all.
So please don't think you did something wrong or ugly. I think there is no one in the Netherlands that is offended or even understand that he could/should be offended.

Thank you, Chris

 

[Stickboy46]

I have it on my Model S and never use it except to show someone that's never been in it how it works. If you enjoy driving, you don't use these things...at least I don't.

Counter Point - I have it in my Model 3 and love it. Works damn near perfect in my town (doesn't have too many crazy complex things to confuse it. I enjoy driving ... but i enjoy spirited driving. For point A to B driving which is what happens way too often Autopilot is great for that.

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