Tesla Autopilot Crash

[DBC]

Can you cite some examples after making such claims? Let’s be objective.

@Mach-E VLOG has given some examples. But let's go back to the very first reveal of "Auto Pilot". Are you seriously claiming that the term "Auto Pilot" doesn't convey that the vehicle drives itself? Get serious. But if that isn't enough for you, look at the video of the reveal of "Auto Pilot" where the car drives itself and people are cheering. What more do you want?

By any objective measure Tesla has marketed "Auto Pilot" or "FSD" or whatever new name it comes up with as a Level V system. Everyone knows that and it's annoying to have someone act as though this isn't a fact.

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[RedStallion]

Self driving seems to be safer than someone driving. Does it have issues, and make mistakes? yes! Do all the other drivers on the road have issues and make mistakes? Hell Yes probably more issues and mistakes. And ALL self driving modes from every manufacturer says driver should be ready to take over

Where is your data proving this claim? All we know that Tesla drivers fatality rate is significantly higher than other luxury cars. Perhaps "autopilot" has something to do with that?

 

[RedStallion]

@Mach-E VLOG has given some examples. But let's go back to the very first reveal of "Auto Pilot". Are you seriously claiming that the term "Auto Pilot" doesn't convey that the vehicle drives itself? Get serious. But if that isn't enough for you, look at the video of the reveal of "Auto Pilot" where the car drives itself and people are cheering. What more do you want?

By any objective measure Tesla has marketed "Auto Pilot" or "FSD" or whatever new name it comes up with as a Level V system. Everyone knows that and it's annoying to have someone act as though this isn't a fact.

I think this is where Elon got his idea of "autopilot":

 

[trutolife27]

Looks like Tesla is still catching major heat over what they call "self-driving". Some people are going to have that revoked from their tesla.

If you think tesla is not saving your data well I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Clydesdale]

Where is your data proving this claim? All we know that Tesla drivers fatality rate is significantly higher than other luxury cars. Perhaps "autopilot" has something to do with that?

This reference is from a completely unreliable source.

This is pure short-seller FUD. Just look at the author’s Twitter profile. ?. Did you not recognize this, or are you part of that crew?

Honestly, you lose credibility when linking trash like this.

 

[Clydesdale]

@Mach-E VLOG has given some examples. But let's go back to the very first reveal of "Auto Pilot". Are you seriously claiming that the term "Auto Pilot" doesn't convey that the vehicle drives itself? Get serious. But if that isn't enough for you, look at the video of the reveal of "Auto Pilot" where the car drives itself and people are cheering. What more do you want?

By any objective measure Tesla has marketed "Auto Pilot" or "FSD" or whatever new name it comes up with as a Level V system. Everyone knows that and it's annoying to have someone act as though this isn't a fact.

OK, so what does the term “Co-pilot” mean to you? Is it any different than autopilot? Are you lobbying for Ford to change the name of its system too?

The product documentation is very clear for both of these products regarding their limitations and capabilities.

 

[Mercury8]

OK, so what does the term “Co-pilot” mean to you? Is it any different than autopilot? Are you lobbying for Ford to change the name of its system too?

The product documentation is very clear for both of these products regarding their limitations and capabilities.

Here’s a couple of definitions. The important bit is that a ‘co-pilot’ is not in command. ? Seems an important difference to me...?

Also the ‘co’ part of co-pilot suggests a more co-operative assistive system not a totally automatic one...just my thoughts?

 

[Orangefirefish]

Self driving seems to be safer than someone driving. Does it have issues, and make mistakes? yes! Do all the other drivers on the road have issues and make mistakes? Hell Yes probably more issues and mistakes. And ALL self driving modes from every manufacturer says driver should be ready to take over

Is it safer than a human that dozed off, sure. Is it safer than a human who shouldn’t have been driving to begin with (suspended license), most likely. Put an incapable human along with a somewhat capable “computer driver” and every now and then you will end up with incidents. Pair a capable human and a somewhat capable computer and now you’re on your way to really improving safety, since the system is just closing the gaps from the otherwise able human being.

 

[Clydesdale]

Here’s a couple of definitions. The important bit is that a ‘co-pilot’ is not in command. ? Seems an important difference to me...?

Also the ‘co’ part of co-pilot suggests a more co-operative assistive system not a totally automatic one...just my thoughts?

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Exactly my point. What’s in a name? Depends on who you ask.

An aircraft co-pilot usually helps perform cockpit tasks in an aircraft, but is also fully qualified to pilot the aircraft and does so often to relieve the captain for various reasons. Captain is always in command, but not always piloting.

The co-pilot sometimes even pilots the craft while the pilot is sleeping!!! ?

Autopilot on a small boat? Depending on the sophistication, may only maintain a preset heading, regardless of obstructions in the path ahead. Islands, large waves, kayakers. No matter what, it will keep that heading!

Can’t blame the name, need to blame the abuse of the systems being used outside of its design parameters.

 

[Mercury8]

Exactly my point. What’s in a name? Depends on who you ask.

An aircraft co-pilot usually helps perform cockpit tasks in an aircraft, but is also fully qualified to pilot the aircraft and does so often to relieve the captain for various reasons. Captain is always in command, but not always piloting.

The co-pilot sometimes even pilots the craft while the pilot is sleeping!!! ?

Autopilot on a small boat? Depending on the sophistication, may only maintain a preset heading, regardless of obstructions in the path ahead. Islands, large waves, kayakers. No matter what, it will keep that heading!

Can’t blame the name, need to blame the abuse of the systems being used outside of its design parameters.

The problem is I don’t think Musk clearly states it’s design parameters enough and ‘auto’ has more unfortunate connotations when it comes to public perception. (‘Operating on autopilot’)

I suppose you’re right though. If someone is daft enough to drive a car without paying attention then it’s ultimately their fault.

If I was Musk I wouldn’t want that on my conscience though.

 

[RedStallion]

This reference is from a completely unreliable source.

This is pure short-seller FUD. Just look at the author’s Twitter profile. ?. Did you not recognize this, or are you part of that crew?

Honestly, you lose credibility when linking trash like this.

Tesla fanboys are conspiracy theorists. Everything they don't like must be a conspiracy. When "autopilot" hits cars in plain sight, or battery catches fire, or wheels start wobbling, or bumpers fall off, or roofs fly off, even if it's on video, it's all a conspiracy. It must be short sellers, big oil, Tesla haters, etc. It's so much like a cult. ?

 

[trutolife27]

The real problem behind it all is it needs to be called really what it is. it's not self-driving. No matter how old people get some are still like a young kid and read oh it's self-driving now I can do whatever and don't read the fine print or the rest of the details.

At the end of the day, a car is a machine and at any time something can go wrong.

 

[Clydesdale]

Tesla fanboys are conspiracy theorists. Everything they don't like must be a conspiracy. When "autopilot" hits cars in plain sight, or battery catches fire, or wheels start wobbling, or bumpers fall off, or roofs fly off, even if it's on video, it's all a conspiracy. It must be short sellers, big oil, Tesla haters, etc. It's so much like a cult. ?

The guy you referenced is literally a short seller. It’s in his Twitter profile and mentioned in the article. He has an agenda. The data in the “article” is unscrupulous, and at best only his opinion, at worst purposely mialigned with intent to harm.

Where did this conspiracy theory stuff come from? We’re discussing the effect on what names these systems have. A meaningful discussion.

What value does your vitriol add to this discussion?

What’s YOUR agenda?

 

[Clydesdale]

The real problem behind it all is it needs to be called really what it is. it's not self-driving. No matter how old people get some are still like a young kid and read oh it's self-driving now I can do whatever and don't read the fine print or the rest of the details.

At the end of the day, a car is a machine and at any time something can go wrong.

Almost self driving.
Usually self driving
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The problem is I don’t think Musk clearly states it’s design parameters enough and ‘auto’ has more unfortunate connotations when it comes to public perception. (‘Operating on autopilot’)

I suppose you’re right though. If someone is daft enough to drive a car without paying attention then it’s ultimately their fault.

If I was Musk I wouldn’t want that on my conscience though.

What if they renamed it to something else like “Lane Control Assistant”, but left all functionality as it is. Would it be better? Would the drivers pay more attention?

More accurate driver monitoring is a big part of the solution for these levels of systems. It would also be useful in cars where the driver is fully in control. Ha, imagine how well that would go over, especially in the states.

 

[The Electric Duo]

It's about more than the name. It is about Elon demoing AutoPilot with his hands off the wheel. It is about Tesla demoing FSD with no hands on the wheel. It is about Elon promising a Robo-Taxi fleet. Is about Elon promising a Level 5 system. Elon Musk and Tesla are using the name and other marketing techniques that give the impression that the cars can drive themselves.

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