Texas Tesla Tragedy

[The Electric Duo]

The "Best EV" is a matter of personal opinion. I will point out that the fine folks at MotorTrend recently gave the nod to the Tesla Model Y over the Mach-e. I find that particularly notable considering that MotorTrend doesn't get any money from Tesla but they get bucketfuls from Ford (in addition to other industry 'benefits', haha). So, yes, I think you have to take notice when real car guys choose the only company that doesn't pay their salaries and keep the lights on.

Tesla never said currently available cars don't require a driver with hands on the wheels and no one has provided a single example of Tesla saying that. Why is that?

Musk said Autopilot wasn't activated in the Texas crash because he has access to the telemetry data that shows Autopilot wasn't activated before the crash. And investigators will have access to that same data too so there is no incentive to lie about it.

Public relations department exist to cause you to think more favorably about their company. PR, get it? And guess who pays for that cost? That's right, you do, their customers! They have YOU pay to convince you how great their products are! I'm glad Tesla fired their PR department - it makes their cars a slightly better value. I don't want to pay the manufacturer of my car to convince me it's good - I want the product to speak for itself!

There you go again... The media is so biased. Oh wait, Motor Trend said something nice!

I'm not saying Musk lied about whether AutoPilot was engaged. But I'm pointing out the repeated hypocrisy of don't believe what he says sometimes and other times believe it.

PR is much more than that. It is Public Relations not marketing.

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[The Electric Duo]

 

[JoeDimwit]

Why have so many of you been misled on this very basic point?

Because Elon keeps saying stupid things publicly.

 

[LagerHead]

There you go again... The media is so biased. Oh wait, Motor Trend said something nice!

I'm not saying Musk lied about whether AutoPilot was engaged. But I'm pointing out the repeated hypocrisy of don't believe what he says sometimes and other times believe it.

Wait! No one has provided a single example of Musk claiming currently available cars don't require a human driver! You can't point to Musk as he speaks about the companies future products, their roadmap, and claim he is being misleading about cars you can buy today!

PR is much more than that. It is Public Relations not marketing.

Public Relations is marketing. PR is a subset of marketing that is focussed on marketing the companies brand. That's why it's in the marketing department of all modern companies.

 

[The Electric Duo]

Tesla ignores unfounded criticism. There is so much of it they have no choice. Genuine criticism, that which is not based on FUD, they listen to and carefully consider. Anyone who has owned a Tesla for any length of time has seen how responsive Tesla is to our requests.

Tesla can ignore the criticism, but Tesla stans whine over every little gripe. It must come with the purchase contract. "You must defend everything Tesla does. But you also become an instant expert on autonomous driving, artificial intelligence, the stock market, and crypto currencies." ?

 

[LagerHead]

Because Elon keeps saying stupid things publicly.

Can you give a single example that relates directly to claiming that current products don't require a driver?

I didn't think so - it's all made up FUD.

 

[MachE1977]

Tesla can ignore the criticism, but Tesla stans whine over every little gripe. It must come with the purchase contract. "You must defend everything Tesla does. But you also become an instant expert on autonomous driving, artificial intelligence, the stock market, and crypto currencies." ?

This is true and the same can be said about every other loyal fan bases. Mach-E owners are in the same boat, with the little brother syndrome.

I'm going to laugh when Ford and Tesla start their collaboration in about 5 years.

https://jalopnik.com/video-shows-fords-copilot-360-has-some-of-the-same-driv-1846811626

 

[LagerHead]

Tesla can ignore the criticism, but Tesla stans whine over every little gripe. It must come with the purchase contract. "You must defend everything Tesla does. But you also become an instant expert on autonomous driving, artificial intelligence, the stock market, and crypto currencies." ?

Not only is Tesla able to ignore the FUD-based criticism - they have no other rational option. There is so much of it they wouldn't be able to get anything else done! If you have been paying attention you will notice they treat the FUD-based criticism like water off a ducks back. They don't even react to it anymore.

I'm sorry if you're upset that others are willing to point out the fallacies that are spead as fact.

 

[The Electric Duo]

Not only is Tesla able to ignore the FUD-based criticism - they have no other rational option. There is so much of it they wouldn't be able to get anything else done! If you have been paying attention you will notice they treat the FUD-based criticism like water off a ducks back. They don't even react to it anymore.

I'm sorry if you're upset that others are willing to point out the fallacies that are spead as fact.

They ignore it because they fired the PR department. ?

 

[The Electric Duo]

This is true and the same can be said about every other loyal fan bases. Mach-E owners are in the same boat, with the little brother syndrome.

I'm going to laugh when Ford and Tesla start their collaboration in about 5 years.

There is a difference between expressing what you like about a product and getting obsessed over every article written about that article, investing in the company that makes the product, accusing people that criticize the product of being short sellers, and even investing in a crypto currency you probably don't understand because the CEO tweeted about it.

Look at my posts. Even on this thread. I said Ford (and all others) have to do better in DMS. I had a video showing the troubles I had with Plug and Charge. I've mentioned in videos issues I have with the SYNC. In fact, in an upcoming video, I praise AutoPilot for doing a better job of handling curves compared to the Mach-E.

 

[MachE1977]

There is a difference between expressing what you like about a product and getting obsessed over every article written about that article, investing in the company that makes the product, accusing people that criticize the product of being short sellers, and even investing in a crypto currency you probably don't understand because the CEO tweeted about it.

Look at my posts. Even on this thread. I said Ford (and all others) have to do better in DMS. I had a video showing the troubles I had with Plug and Charge. I've mentioned in videos issues I have with the SYNC. In fact, in an upcoming video, I praise AutoPilot for doing a better job of handling curves compared to the Mach-E.

Yep, that's a cult. My issue is blaming a whole company for individual stupidity, any company.

 

[The Electric Duo]

Yep, that's a cult. My issue is blaming a whole company for individual stupidity, any company.

There definitely has to be some individual responsibility. But, there are many, many instances in which we expect a company or organization to make reasonable changes to their product to prevent stupidity.

Case in point... Maybe Tesla should have a system that monitors whether the driver is paying attention (eye tracking, for example). And maybe Ford should check the seatbelt. Is it excessive. Probably not. I think the push for autonomous driving is more of a human problem than a tech problem. Until we are truly able to eliminate drivers in ALL situations, humans will need to monitor the system. We suck at that. The better the system gets, the more we suck at monitoring it. We get lazy or careless. To me, that is a harder problem to conquer. And it is a problem all manufacturers will have to address.

 

[LagerHead]

They ignore it because they fired the PR department. ?

Correct. Their PR department wasn't big enough to even scratch the surface of all the FUD being released on a daily basis. Elon did the math and determined it was an expense not worth having.

Makes sense to me.

 

[LagerHead]

Maybe Tesla should have a system that monitors whether the driver is paying attention (eye tracking, for example). And maybe Ford should check the seatbelt. Is it excessive. Probably not. I think the push for autonomous driving is more of a human problem than a tech problem. Until we are truly able to eliminate drivers in ALL situations, humans will need to monitor the system. We suck at that. The better the system gets, the more we suck at monitoring it. We get lazy or careless. To me, that is a harder problem to conquer. And it is a problem all manufacturers will have to address.

I see your point but I think you are over-estimating how long it will take for AI Autonomous systems to improve beyond humans. At that point, they will be better than humans, even with other human drivers sharing the same road.

To understand how this could be it is necessary to understand how AI actually works. Too many people think of it as a computer programmed with "if, then" statements. It doesn't work that way. It actually develops a kind of driving intelligence and I think it's a near certainty it will surpass the average human driver shortly in terms of safety.

Of course, AI Autonomy will cause some accidents than a human would not but it will prevent 10 accidents that a human would have over the same number of road miles.

My point is, I think the situation we currently have, with people needing to monitor it, will not last very long. In hindsight, this period will appear to have been over almost before it started.

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