V240 vs. V120 L1 charging

[valeriol]

This is purely an informational query, not my current setup, just something that came up talking to a friend in Italy.

If you do L1 charging on a 240V outlet do you get twice the charging rate compared to using a 120V outlet ?

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[dalola]

120V charging is considered level 1, and 240V charging is considered level 2, and at equal amperage, yes, it's basically double the rate from L1 to L2.

 

[AKgrampy]

This is purely an informational query, not my current setup, just something that came up talking to a friend in Italy.

If you do L1 charging on a 240V outlet do you get twice the charging rate compared to using a 120V outlet ?

L1 charging is 120V charging. How do you do that on a 240V outlet? Why would anyone run 120V to a 240V outlet? The answer may be reduced power rate L2 charging. Or are you suggesting running 240V thru the 120V pigtail?

 

[valeriol]

Sorry, I guess I didn’t express myself properly. I was really thinking about the charger that comes with the car.

Assuming you live in Europe, where home plugs are 240V, is the charger that comes with the car a different one so that it can handle that ? Would the charger that we get in the US capable of handling 240V ?

 

[AKgrampy]

Sorry, I guess I didn’t express myself properly. I was really thinking about the charger that comes with the car.

Assuming you live in Europe, where home plugs are 240V, is the charger that comes with the car a different one so that it can handle that ? Would the charger that we get in the US capable of handling 240V ?

The one we get has two sets of plugs. It can be used at 120V (L1) or at 240 (L2). You change plugs based on voltage. Not sure how it would work in Europe.

 

[valeriol]

The one we get has two sets of plugs. It can be used at 120V (L1) or at 240 (L2). You change plugs based on voltage. Not sure how it would work in Europe.

I didn’t realize that, I never took it out. I guess then it’s the same charger in Europe.

Thanks

 

[Sikkun]

Sorry, I guess I didn’t express myself properly. I was really thinking about the charger that comes with the car.

Assuming you live in Europe, where home plugs are 240V, is the charger that comes with the car a different one so that it can handle that ? Would the charger that we get in the US capable of handling 240V ?

I can’t find a link to Fords official mobile one. But I assume you’ll end up with someone like:
https://vorsprung.com/en-us/product...to-10-metre-uk-3-pin-6a-to-13a-variable-3-3kw

Which yes, will charge faster than a 120v in US, but still slower than what we call L2 because it’s on a standard outlet. (At least compared to the 10kwh you can get hardwired…guess you can call 3kwh L2 if you want).

 

[Sikkun]

I didn’t realize that, I never took it out. I guess then it’s the same charger in Europe.

Thanks

US 240V is not the same as EU or UK wall plug.

Ford version would have to come with different pigtails.

 

[AKgrampy]

I didn’t realize that, I never took it out. I guess then it’s the same charger in Europe.

Thanks

I would assume cars sold in Europe have EVSE’s rated for European voltages and 50 cycles.

 

[glenthompson]

I'm to sure about the Ford charger but I have a 3rd party charger for my Prius Prime that can run off either 120v or 240v. The Prius limits the charge current to 12 amps max on either circuit. It takes just under 5 hours to fully charge at 120v and just over 2 at 240v. Charge rate is the same regardless if I use the low power charger at 240v or my L2 JuiceBox that I normally use for my MME.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

https://www.power-sonic.com/blog/le...=Level 2 EV charging is,in Europe, it's 22 kW.

Level 2 EV charging utilizes a 208-volt to 240-volt AC outlet in North America and a 230-volt (single-phase) or 400-volt (three-phase) outlet in Europe. In North America, Level 2 chargers top out at 19.2 kW , and in Europe, it’s 22 kW.

 

[squirtbrnr]

I use my Ford mobile charger on a 240V 20A circuit (NEMA 6-20r outlet in the garage). I use the 120V L1 plug (NEMA 5-15 plug) on the charger, but I get a charging rate of 2.8kW. The charger itself doesn’t care if the L1 plug is actually getting 120V or 240V, because the charger can handle both voltages. But the plug determines the charge rate limit. The L1 plug is limited to just 12A. No the L1 plug doesn’t plug into a NEMA 6-20r directly. I had the electrician at my work make up an appropriate adapter and label it as “240V 16A max, EV Charging only!”

 

[ChrisO]

When we used our Ford mobile charger on 120v 15-amp circuit (standard US 120 plug) we got about 1.3kW. (note that the adapter isn't going to know if you have a 15 or 20-amp circuit so it will be putting out for a 15-amp circuit with the standard .8 of the circuit breaker rating. 15 * .8 = 12-amps 12 * 120 = 1.44kW)

Put in a 240v 50-amp circuit (with .8 that means a max of 40-amps * 240 = 9.6kW). The max the Mac-E can charge at is 48-amps or 11.5kW. and only if the charger is directly wired into the circuit box, for with the plug it is limited to 40-amps.

We are getting 7kW off of the Ford mobile charger when using the 240-volt plug, so about 30-amps.

In fact, L1 was fine for our needs, but the garage plug was on the same circuit as our garage door, so that was overloading that circuit. So, we needed a new circuit anyways, so went with a 240 one. I had actually bought another larger charger that maxed out at 40-amps/plug 48-amps/wired in for $400, but after seeing we could get 7kW off of the Ford mobile charger, we returned it.

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