Values after NACS Conversion, should we be concerned?

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Oof, bad example.

Used Leafs go for $5k these days.

But I think that’s unrelated to the charge port.

See the “have you never DC charged” thread to see how many people don’t care about the port.
10-12 year old Leafs go for $5k. 10-12 year old ICE economy cars sell for the same price. The depreciation curve for the Leaf isn't bad, at least compared to some other EVs like the bZ4X.
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10-12 year old Leafs go for $5k. 10-12 year old ICE economy cars sell for the same price. The depreciation curve for the Leaf isn't bad, at least compared to some other EVs like the bZ4X.
This thread is about resale, and used Leafs are among the worst resale value of any car. Isn’t bad??

A Nissan Leaf starts at $28k right now. Thats not “economy car” pricing.

For a comparison- a Nissan Altima starts at $26k, Sentra at $20k and Versa at $15k (economy car).

And a 10 year old Versa? First google search I found was $11k used. https://www.carmax.com/car/24820011...A9DmaSxNCzbEon1hT44aAju6EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

So no. The resale of a Leaf is NOT equivalent to an ICE economy car. Yes you can find cheaper ones with tons of miles, but they started out almost half the price of a Leaf.
 

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This thread is about resale, and used Leafs are among the worst resale value of any car. Isn’t bad??

A Nissan Leaf starts at $28k right now. Thats not “economy car” pricing.

For a comparison- a Nissan Altima starts at $26k, Sentra at $20k and Versa at $15k (economy car).

And a 10 year old Versa? First google search I found was $11k used. https://www.carmax.com/car/24820011...A9DmaSxNCzbEon1hT44aAju6EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

So no. The resale of a Leaf is NOT equivalent to an ICE economy car. Yes you can find cheaper ones with tons of miles, but they started out almost half the price of a Leaf.
I think leaf is just a terrible offering. A base model 3 or bolt is a better option. The 24 model still uses the old chademo port. Nissan basically gave up on that car and moved on to Ariya. The fact leaf is still selling amazes me.
 

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This is not another "OMG my value has dropped so much!" thread. Instead, I was pondering what will happen to the value of our current vehicles once the new NACS vehicles come out next year. Will anyone want to buy a used CCS vehicle knowing they will need to use an adapter everywhere? I've heard companies like EVGo and EA will be making NACS chargers available eventually, but it probably won't be a fast change over, so there will probably be CCS chargers still around for a couple years, but let's face it, NACS will eventually become the standard. I've heard even now some dealerships aren't even taking EVs in trade as they don't want them, they will probably want a CCS EV even less.

Another option I guess could be NACS conversion kits, i.e. swapping the CCS port on the current vehicles to NACS, thereby no longer requiring an adapter. I don't know enough about port to know if it could be swapped.

Anyway, I just thought I would post to see what others are thinking about the topic.
Having the CCS/J1772 combo maybe a blessing since there are a lot of chargers that have that connection. if you swap out the port in your car, then you will need to have an adapter handy incase you need to charge at a station that is not NACS. I would think that maybe the value will hold or could be better. There is always another side of the argument, I would be selling the fact that buying an adapter for the old pug in would be costly and a benefit to having the J1772/CCS combo on the car.
 

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MY biggest worry about the adapter is forgetting it on the charger and not realizing until I'm 100 miles away.
 


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Having the CCS/J1772 combo maybe a blessing since there are a lot of chargers that have that connection. if you swap out the port in your car, then you will need to have an adapter handy incase you need to charge at a station that is not NACS. I would think that maybe the value will hold or could be better. There is always another side of the argument, I would be selling the fact that buying an adapter for the old pug in would be costly and a benefit to having the J1772/CCS combo on the car.
That's using logic, I don't think dealerships do that ? but it's a good counter argument
 

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This is not another "OMG my value has dropped so much!" thread. Instead, I was pondering what will happen to the value of our current vehicles once the new NACS vehicles come out next year. Will anyone want to buy a used CCS vehicle knowing they will need to use an adapter everywhere? I've heard companies like EVGo and EA will be making NACS chargers available eventually, but it probably won't be a fast change over, so there will probably be CCS chargers still around for a couple years, but let's face it, NACS will eventually become the standard. I've heard even now some dealerships aren't even taking EVs in trade as they don't want them, they will probably want a CCS EV even less.

Another option I guess could be NACS conversion kits, i.e. swapping the CCS port on the current vehicles to NACS, thereby no longer requiring an adapter. I don't know enough about port to know if it could be swapped.

Anyway, I just thought I would post to see what others are thinking about the topic.
People will want adapters either way. In fact, the new vehicles with NACS ports may be using an adapter MORE for a while (to use a CCS charger). It all depends on which DCFC networks you use and how long it takes them to migrate their handles. Some have suggested they'll offer both handles if the charger has two cables (like EA). But don't expect thousands of chargers to be retrofitted all at once. Like all things DCFC, I expect it'll take years. We'll have a messy mix of CCS and NACS handles out there for quite some time. I'd want an adapter to handle either type, whether my car has a CCS port or a NACS port.
 
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People will want adapters either way. In fact, the new vehicles with NACS ports may be using an adapter MORE for a while (to use a CCS charger). It all depends on which DCFC networks you use and how long it takes them to migrate their handles. Some have suggested they'll offer both handles if the charger has two cables (like EA). But don't expect thousands of chargers to be retrofitted all at once. Like all things DCFC, I expect it'll take years. We'll have a messy mix of CCS and NACS handles out there for quite some time. I'd want an adapter to handle either type, whether my car has a CCS port or a NACS port.
I believe the average length people keep a vehicle is around 8 years (average), which means yes, for several years there will be a mix out there. But Blue Book values are based on demand of a vehicle. And dealership trade-ins are based on Blue Book values. I doubt many people will want to buy CCS vehicles once all the new vehicles have switched over to NACS and using the Tesla Supercharger Network is the selling point. And since the only thing on a dealer's mind when they take your vehicle is "How much can we get for this?", I believe it could affect values.

A perfect example; in 2015 I bought a new Lincoln MKZ fully loaded for 54k. Up until my MME, it was the best vehicle I ever owned. I loved that vehicle so much. Loved the style, it drove like a dream. Six months after I got it I checked Blue Book, it had lost 52% of its value, in 6 months! I was blown away. I started doing a little research and turned out nobody wanted it because they considered it a glorified and overpriced Fusion. When I traded it 5 years later, Blue Book was 15k, they gave me 13k in trade. It was still in perfect condition.
 

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This is not another "OMG my value has dropped so much!" thread. Instead, I was pondering what will happen to the value of our current vehicles once the new NACS vehicles come out next year. Will anyone want to buy a used CCS vehicle knowing they will need to use an adapter everywhere? I've heard companies like EVGo and EA will be making NACS chargers available eventually, but it probably won't be a fast change over, so there will probably be CCS chargers still around for a couple years, but let's face it, NACS will eventually become the standard. I've heard even now some dealerships aren't even taking EVs in trade as they don't want them, they will probably want a CCS EV even less.

Another option I guess could be NACS conversion kits, i.e. swapping the CCS port on the current vehicles to NACS, thereby no longer requiring an adapter. I don't know enough about port to know if it could be swapped.

Anyway, I just thought I would post to see what others are thinking about the topic.
Next year? More like MY2025, which means two years from now. Even then, we have not heard anything official that NACS ports are coming to the MY2025 Mustang Mach Es. If you have seen somewhere Ford does say that, please post it here.
 
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Next year? More like MY2025, which means two years from now. Even then, we have not heard anything official that NACS ports are coming to the MY2025 Mustang Mach Es. If you have seen somewhere Ford does say that, please post it here.
Wouldn't MY2025 be at the end of this year?

At the end of the page (so might be MY2026)

"Ford will start to transition to the NACS charge port from 2025, removing the need for an adapter for direct access to Tesla Superchargers."

Ford to Offer Complimentary Tesla Supercharger Adapter to Eligible EV Customers | Ford Media Center
 

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Wouldn't MY2025 be at the end of this year?
My bad. That's what I get for posting late at night (I'm currently in Thailand). I should have said MY2026.

"Ford will start to transition to the NACS charge port from 2025, removing the need for an adapter for direct access to Tesla Superchargers."

Ford to Offer Complimentary Tesla Supercharger Adapter to Eligible EV Customers | Ford Media Center
Correct. However, I'll repeat myself: we have not heard anything official that NACS ports are coming to the MY2025 Mustang Mach Es. That says nothing at all about the Mustang Mach E, does it?

Watch out when you assume.
 
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My bad. That's what I get for posting late at night (I'm currently in Thailand). I should have said MY2026.


Correct. However, I'll repeat myself: we have not heard anything official that NACS ports are coming to the MY2025 Mustang Mach Es. That says nothing at all about the Mustang Mach E, does it?

Watch out when you assume.
You got me there, it definitely doesn't say MME ?
 

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This is not another "OMG my value has dropped so much!" thread. Instead, I was pondering what will happen to the value of our current vehicles once the new NACS vehicles come out next year. Will anyone want to buy a used CCS vehicle knowing they will need to use an adapter everywhere? I've heard companies like EVGo and EA will be making NACS chargers available eventually, but it probably won't be a fast change over, so there will probably be CCS chargers still around for a couple years, but let's face it, NACS will eventually become the standard. I've heard even now some dealerships aren't even taking EVs in trade as they don't want them, they will probably want a CCS EV even less.

Another option I guess could be NACS conversion kits, i.e. swapping the CCS port on the current vehicles to NACS, thereby no longer requiring an adapter. I don't know enough about port to know if it could be swapped.

Anyway, I just thought I would post to see what others are thinking about the topic.
I just installed a Tesla universal charger. It easily charges either J1772 or NACS for future proofing, and I see them being installed by hotel chains for that reason.

I already carry an adapter, so I can't see this being a big deal myself.
 
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You got me there, it definitely doesn't say MME ?
Right?

What other electric Fords would they be referring to.

It’s not like we have a ton to pick from….
 

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I just installed a Tesla universal charger. It easily charges either J1772 or NACS for future proofing, and I see them being installed by hotel chains for reason.
That and the fact that Tesla makes a really high quality L2 charger.
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