Where are the 2025s?

[dpnelson]

I'm finally ready to take the plunge on a 2025, but they seem to be in limbo. The two dealers closest to me have what I want listed in their inventory, but they've been "in transit" for weeks. A rep from one of the dealers told me that theirs was on hold in Mexico and not shipping anytime soon. Is there a production issue waiting to be corrected? Or maybe they're frozen with the uncertainty about tariffs?

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[Mach1E]

I'm finally ready to take the plunge on a 2025, but they seem to be in limbo. The two dealers closest to me have what I want listed in their inventory, but they've been "in transit" for weeks. A rep from one of the dealers told me that theirs was on hold in Mexico and not shipping anytime soon. Is there a production issue waiting to be corrected? Or maybe they're frozen with the uncertainty about tariffs?

Dealers have never had exact info on when cars will ship or show up.

Back in 2021 when we were all obsessed with ship dates we even tracked where our cars were on the train.

And even then it was only accurate “within a few weeks” of when it would show up at the dealership.

 

[dpnelson]

Dealers have never had exact info on when cars will ship or show up.

Back in 2021 when we were all obsessed with ship dates we even tracked where our cars were on the train.

And even then it was only accurate “within a few weeks” of when it would show up at the dealership.

That's interesting. I would have expected better predictability and communication.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

That's interesting. I would have expected better predictability and communication.

So did we! But we were wrong ?

 

[SonicBlue]

I'm finally ready to take the plunge on a 2025, but they seem to be in limbo. The two dealers closest to me have what I want listed in their inventory, but they've been "in transit" for weeks. A rep from one of the dealers told me that theirs was on hold in Mexico and not shipping anytime soon. Is there a production issue waiting to be corrected? Or maybe they're frozen with the uncertainty about tariffs?

Do you enjoy setting piles of money on fire? Why are you looking to pay new car pricing for battery, charging, and infotainment tech that is 4 years old and quickly becoming obsolete? You could get the same exact tech in a 23 or 24, with some original warranty left, for 50-60% of the price. Have you seen how rapidly these things depreciate?

If you want new, wait a few years for new tech. Otherwise buy used and save a bundle!

 

[MrLoganRoss]

I have a different take. What are you driving needs? Are you happy with the state of the current in-cabin tech? Do you value reliability?

There is a lot to be gained by buying the 5th model year of a given generation of car. All the kinks have been worked out. All the improvements that can be made, have been made. Not to mention the mache remains one of the best looking cars on the market even 5 years later.

In the 2025, you get the 2nd gen rear motor, and a better tuned suspension, for a price substantially lower than for first few years. Plus all the changes they made along the way. You have to deal with none of the recalls of the early years, and the software will be as up to date as possible.

You can always wait….and wait…..and wait. And you never know if the future will include the things you want (like CarPlay). Maybe the next gen will look more like a Tesla to maximize efficiency and peoples’ unnecessary obsession with range. In the end, it’s still a car. If you need a car in the near future and this car works for your use case, go for it.

I am speaking as a 23.5 GTPE owner and a ‘24 Lightning owner. I don’t regret not waiting for the next gen. In fact, I wouldn’t buy the first year of the next gen for the very reasons I discussed above.

 

[SonicBlue]

There are all kinds of ways people will justify buying a shiny new car. But sometimes they just don’t hold up to scrutiny. These arguments really don’t hold up for a new MME at this time.

I have a different take. What are you driving needs? Are you happy with the state of the current in-cabin tech? Do you value reliability?

Why would you settle for pay new car pricing for current (4+ year old) cabin tech? And as I’ll get into more detail below, there’s no real evidence that a 22 or 23 is less reliable than a 25.

There is a lot to be gained by buying the 5th model year of a given generation of car. All the kinks have been worked out. All the improvements that can be made, have been made.

Ah, the “all the kinks” rationale. First, notice I didn’t include 21s, which actually did some kinks. Although I’ve worked out those kinks under warranty with my First Edition. Second, what is the evidence that 22s and 23s have significantly more kinks than a new 25? And third, that’s the point of buying a used car still under warranty. Heck, you can add an extended warranty on a used 22 for a fraction of the premium you’ll pay for a new 25!

Not to mention the mache remains one of the best looking cars on the market even 5 years later.

That’s because the interior and exterior styling hasn’t meaningfully changed in five years. That’s another point in favor of buying used.

In the 2025, you get the 2nd gen rear motor, and a better tuned suspension,

There’s no problem with the first motor, especially one that wouldn’t be covered under warranty. The suspension is still crap - sorry, just being honest.

a price substantially lower than for first few years.

The price was lowered to compensate for losing the $7,500 tax credit. And if you’re talking $$$, that’s another huge point in favor of buying used

Plus all the changes they made along the way.

You keep going back to this. And there just haven’t been material changes to justify a $20k+ price premium over used

You have to deal with none of the recalls of the early years, and the software will be as up to date as possible.

Why would you pay a massive premium for a new car to avoid a couple free recalls? Most of which have probably already been performed? And the software in my 21 is fully up to date.

You can always wait….and wait…..and wait. And you never know if the future will include the things you want (like CarPlay). Maybe the next gen will look more like a Tesla to maximize efficiency and peoples’ unnecessary obsession with range. In the end, it’s still a car. If you need a car in the near future and this car works for your use case, go for it.

Who said anything about waiting? The point is, if you don’t want to wait for the new battery and charging and infotainment tech, don’t pay new pricing for all the stuff that’s about to be obsolete!

I don’t regret not waiting for the next gen. In fact, I wouldn’t buy the first year of the next gen for the very reasons I discussed above.

Notice, again, I did not say to buy a 21.

 

[Mach1E]

There are all kinds of ways people will justify buying a shiny new car. But sometimes they just don’t hold up to scrutiny. These arguments really don’t hold up for a new MME at this time.



Why would you settle for pay new car pricing for current (4+ year old) cabin tech? And as I’ll get into more detail below, there’s no real evidence that a 22 or 23 is less reliable than a 25.



Ah, the “all the kinks” rationale. First, notice I didn’t include 21s, which actually did some kinks. Although I’ve worked out those kinks under warranty with my First Edition. Second, what is the evidence that 22s and 23s have significantly more kinks than a new 25? And third, that’s the point of buying a used car still under warranty. Heck, you can add an extended warranty on a used 22 for a fraction of the premium you’ll pay for a new 25!



That’s because the interior and exterior styling hasn’t meaningfully changed in five years. That’s another point in favor of buying used.



There’s no problem with the first motor, especially one that wouldn’t be covered under warranty. The suspension is still crap - sorry, just being honest.



The price was lowered to compensate for losing the $7,500 tax credit. And if you’re talking $$$, that’s another huge point in favor of buying used



You keep going back to this. And there just haven’t been material changes to justify a $20k+ price premium over used



Why would you pay a massive premium for a new car to avoid a couple free recalls? Most of which have probably already been performed? And the software in my 21 is fully up to date.



Who said anything about waiting? The point is, if you don’t want to wait for the new battery and charging and infotainment tech, don’t pay new pricing for all the stuff that’s about to be obsolete!



Notice, again, I did not say to buy a 21.

A new car is a luxury purchase.

You can’t logic a luxury purchase.

If logic drove all your purchases, no one would eat out for dinner, no one would fly first class or stay in a hotel. And no one would ever buy a new car.

Hell, why even own a house? Buy a 10 year old Prius and sleep in that. I mean it’s way cheaper and you’ll get just as much sleep!

You aren’t wrong that a used EV is definitely the better deal right now.

But maybe the OP wants ventilated seats. ?‍

It’s one thing if they’re choosing between a new car and feeding their family. But when you can afford both, why not?

 

[eastern refugee]

I had a 21 FE and a 21 premium with extended battery. I had so many issues on my FE that ford bought it back and I got a 23 mache GT. MY WIFE WITH THE 21 premium stopped getting updates. So we traded it in for a 24 rally. My 23 MME GT drives way better than my 21FE. At first I was getting lots of updates now I have no idea of my last update but I love it. The 24 rally is a completely different animal. Mine drives like a 60’s muscle car and hers like a Ferrari. Overall the new ones are way better than the old ones. I drive and charge a lot. I got it in sept of 23 and today I have 65,000 miles. I strictly use Tesla charging except when home. I am going to wait until 26 because it will have both a heat pump and a built in tesla charger so I do not have to mess with the adapter. My only serious complaint is I wish we had the ability on navigation to choose where we wanted to charge. I hate EA and Tesla is not even listed. So I use the Tesla app and pay I think $14 a month. I use EVGO also and their map. I find my favorite chargers and save them in navigation. Is latest and greatest better?? I have no idea. A used car is just that. I have no idea about the history of sure there is no real maintenance but do you know what the car has been through? Carfax only lists claims that insurance companies paid for. My 24 rally as ZERO percent interest over 5 years. I honestly feel that electric cars are like my Apple Watch. After a few years the updates do not come as often and ford makes sure that the issues in the older models do not occur in the new ones. They will be removing the look of it in 27. Not sure what it will look like. It comes down to why you are buying a car. Used car rates are WAY higher interest rates than new ones. I see more Mme than I have ever seen in my life especially in SoCal. Most look like the cheapest version which I think is now in the 36000 price range. If you are buying a car based on depreciation savings blah blah. Then that is your choice. For me when I get into a new car and it has zero miles on it and we meet for the first time it is super special. I will take the 23 GT over all older ones bu the 24 rally is really something special. It drives so different than mine. Yes my wife’s rally makes me jealous but I still love my car. I just wish ford came back with its crazy colors. I have cyber orange which is now gone with custom black wheels and black racing stripes to match. I will not trade it in until cyber orange is back. The 24 is black and that is fine. I just like being different. No with a zillion mmes out there mine stands out and I get a lot of people at traffic lights asking me about the color or stripes. I am weird but I love cars and when I buy one it is mine. No one else has touched it. That alone is worth money to me.

 

[shealbi]

As of today

 

[E90alex]

They are still being built. They didn’t start until like mid January? Some have been shipped from the factory but have not arrived to dealers yet. It’s unclear if they have reached OKTB (OK To Buy) status yet.

You can check the List of 2025 Orders thread for people’s updates on their orders to get an idea.

 

[Vgkfan]

I'm finally ready to take the plunge on a 2025, but they seem to be in limbo. The two dealers closest to me have what I want listed in their inventory, but they've been "in transit" for weeks. A rep from one of the dealers told me that theirs was on hold in Mexico and not shipping anytime soon. Is there a production issue waiting to be corrected? Or maybe they're frozen with the uncertainty about tariffs?

There are good arguments for and against new vs used. I would just add a lease as a third option with its own pros and cons.

 

[BOB4X]

Ford prioritized building the retail orders first and then the stock orders. Cars that were ordered back in late 2024 are just shipping now. I don't think anyone that is tracking their order on the 2025 order thread has taken delivery yet. I wouldn't expect to see 2025s showing up on lots until April or May.

 

[SonicBlue]

A new car is a luxury purchase.

You can’t logic a luxury purchase.

Agree. But still, some luxury purchases have more value than others. I can justify paying $1,000 to upgrade to business class for a trip to Europe because I want to not be jet lagged for two days. I can’t justify paying rack rate for the same ticket.

Even luxuries come down to value - at least for me. But if people have the money to spend and want to spend it, go for it! They just should know going in what they’re getting, and what they aren’t.

 

[MrLoganRoss]

@SonicBlue

I had to laugh about how much time you spent attempting to disprove what I very clearly labeled “My Take”, meaning my opinion. I won’t waste anyone else’s time responding to all of your follow-up points which you apparently think are fact ?

The bottom line is that it is up to the individual, and many variables like the person’s actual need (a car is not a luxury item for most people); purchase need/timing; their budget, interest rates, incentives and the deal struck by the dealer). It’s not your way or the highway.

For me personally, buying a car late into its life cycle (a later model year) has many positives and is a very reasonable option for someone unless the car is missing something they need and they “know” the new gen will have it. It would be cool for me to have a ‘35 GTPE, but you know what, I will worry about that when it is 2035 ?

There are all kinds of ways people will justify buying a shiny new car. But sometimes they just don’t hold up to scrutiny. These arguments really don’t hold up for a new MME at this time.



Why would you settle for pay new car pricing for current (4+ year old) cabin tech? And as I’ll get into more detail below, there’s no real evidence that a 22 or 23 is less reliable than a 25.



Ah, the “all the kinks” rationale. First, notice I didn’t include 21s, which actually did some kinks. Although I’ve worked out those kinks under warranty with my First Edition. Second, what is the evidence that 22s and 23s have significantly more kinks than a new 25? And third, that’s the point of buying a used car still under warranty. Heck, you can add an extended warranty on a used 22 for a fraction of the premium you’ll pay for a new 25!



That’s because the interior and exterior styling hasn’t meaningfully changed in five years. That’s another point in favor of buying used.



There’s no problem with the first motor, especially one that wouldn’t be covered under warranty. The suspension is still crap - sorry, just being honest.



The price was lowered to compensate for losing the $7,500 tax credit. And if you’re talking $$$, that’s another huge point in favor of buying used



You keep going back to this. And there just haven’t been material changes to justify a $20k+ price premium over used



Why would you pay a massive premium for a new car to avoid a couple free recalls? Most of which have probably already been performed? And the software in my 21 is fully up to date.



Who said anything about waiting? The point is, if you don’t want to wait for the new battery and charging and infotainment tech, don’t pay new pricing for all the stuff that’s about to be obsolete!



Notice, again, I did not say to buy a 21.

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