Where's my range Ford?

[Crazypostman]

Now this thread makes more sense.

Yeah I have had three other EVs and currently have a Tesla concurrently

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[Crazypostman]

Now this thread makes more sense.

If I was a Tesla DieHard Fanboy I wouldn't have bought a Ford. I like them both for different reasons the Tesla's is definitely better at some things and the Ford for other things. I've certainly done plenty of complaining about my Tesla over the years too.

 

[Mach1E]

If I was a Tesla DieHard Fanboy I wouldn't have bought a Ford. I like them both for different reasons the Tesla's is definitely better at some things and the Ford for other things. I've certainly done plenty of complaining about my Tesla over the years too.

Oh we won’t be surprised if you complain about everything you own.

 

[Crazypostman]

Oh we won’t be surprised if you complain about everything you own.

? I had a 2018 explorer sport that I really enjoyed I don't think I had any complaints about that one.

 

[Garbone]

My 2012 Explorer is a pig. Only thing I really like about it is the leather seats.

Rule of thumb on my SR RWD is 200 miles. Expecting more without charging and your looking for trouble.

Good on you for caring enough to put the rig through it's paces. I personally have other things to do with my time and if that extra 47 miles mattered I would have got an ER pack..

On a side note. My Select was $43000. I$7500 rebate and $5000 I got for my 2006 Mustang it cost me roughly $30500 before taxes (got some of those back thanks to state sales tax credits).

Looking at the math I am tempted to get another Select to replace the Explorer... Very tempted.

 

[Edouble]

? I had a 2018 explorer sport that I really enjoyed I don't think I had any complaints about that one.

Hello want to be friendly as you’ve been a great OP and honest about your experience with the car which isn’t easy to do on forums. Just curious how much charge the car is taking or took after it hit zero? The reason I’m asking if it keeps taking 69.28 or so KWh per charge then the car is using that much power between charges. If it’s only ever taking 66kwh per full charge then you would be getting hosed on the 70 kWh usable capacity. Just food for thought and a random opinion.

 

[Blue highway]

70 mph continuously until I got to zero. I was literally just driving to test the range so I was real careful to only do exactly 70. Except where I had to do u-turns I was doing big loops on the highway

Well that is the answer... the EPA estimate is not based on 70mph.

 

[Murse-In-Airy]

I think it is worth mentioning (I apologize if someone has already stated this) that even repeating your test at 60mph is still going to be disappointing (especially in Whisper Mode) as you would be getting minimal regenerative energy back from braking. Personally I think you have the data you need and all this extra testing is really just a waste of time.

It would be interesting from a purely academic point to see the difference. Not going to hit EPA but the delta between 60MPH and 70MPH would be very interesting.

 

[Crazypostman]

Hello want to be friendly as you’ve been a great OP and honest about your experience with the car which isn’t easy to do on forums. Just curious how much charge the car is taking or took after it hit zero? The reason I’m asking if it keeps taking 69.28 or so KWh per charge then the car is using that much power between charges. If it’s only ever taking 66kwh per full charge then you would be getting hosed on the 70 kWh usable capacity. Just food for thought and a random opinion.

When I measure the kilowatt hours used I always measure what was used driving and not from the charger because when you charge you should add more then you actually used because of heat losses from DC charging. And even if you measure using AC charging there's some inefficiencies in the conversions so when I say I'm only able to get 66 that's being measured from my driving. I don't mind getting beat up here a little bit because my original assumption was wrong. I am in fact getting 70 kwh usable it's just I didn't take into account that some of that is below zero and I didn't test to see how much I could use below zero. My fault. So I am in fact getting what I'm supposed to be getting I'm just getting poor efficiency, and like everybody has said there's so many factors that go into efficiency. Now to answer your original question, how much power did I pull from the charger that day to go from 0 to 100 my billing statement says 65.655kWh which is very close to what my driving measurement was! that was unexpected I would expect some inefficiencies I'm glad you told me to look that up.

 

[Crazypostman]

Well that is the answer... the EPA estimate is not based on 70mph.

I knew it was a mix of highway and City but I didn't realize how low the average speeds were until other people posted the graphs. Plus my efficiency seems to be a little lower than the average here at 2.7

 

[mjs020294]

It would be interesting from a purely academic point to see the difference. Not going to hit EPA but the delta between 60MPH and 70MPH would be very interesting.

Are you not capable of driving a few miles at both speeds and doing some mental asthmatic?

56mph was traditionally the sweet spot for ICE efficiency; the main reason being drag caused by higher speeds. Its going to be very similar on EVs, although they will suffer more as the speed increases because they lack gears.

Basically if you're buying an EV for road trips or a majority of highway driving its probably going to be a disappointment, and quite frustrating. However if the majority of your mileage is local and shorter commutes its going to exceed expectations.

 

[Crazypostman]

Are you not capable of driving a few miles at both speeds and doing some mental asthmatic?

56mph was traditionally the sweet spot for ICE efficiency; the main reason being drag caused by higher speeds. Its going to be very similar on EVs, although they will suffer more as the speed increases because they lack gears.

Basically if you're buying an EV for road trips or a majority of highway driving its probably going to be a disappointment, and quite frustrating. However if the majority of your mileage is local and shorter commutes its going to exceed expectations.

I guess technically I could drive any speed if the goal was to just make efficiency. but around here people drive so fast it starts getting dangerous going 55 when the traffic around me is going 80. It would be fun to test out various speeds to find The Sweet spot just for science because I don't have a life ? but driving those slower speeds on the regular wouldn't really be safe.

 

[Edouble]

When I measure the kilowatt hours used I always measure what was used driving and not from the charger because when you charge you should add more then you actually used because of heat losses from DC charging. And even if you measure using AC charging there's some inefficiencies in the conversions so when I say I'm only able to get 66 that's being measured from my driving. I don't mind getting beat up here a little bit because my original assumption was wrong. I am in fact getting 70 kwh usable it's just I didn't take into account that some of that is below zero and I didn't test to see how much I could use below zero. My fault. So I am in fact getting what I'm supposed to be getting I'm just getting poor efficiency, and like everybody has said there's so many factors that go into efficiency. Now to answer your original question, how much power did I pull from the charger that day to go from 0 to 100 my billing statement says 65.655kWh which is very close to what my driving measurement was! that was unexpected I would expect some inefficiencies I'm glad you told me to look that up.

Ohh now the plot thickens, only 65.655 kWh! That’s odd to me, I’m confused now.
Just going off my experiences with my2014 volt, what ever I use is what I end up putting Back in the pack. If I used 11.1 kWh out of the pack that’s how much goes back in (from what I noticed the Chevy adds in the use from the HVAC load so when it shows instantaneous power consumption it’s everything the car is using) This has turned into an unexpected head scratcher.

 

[mjs020294]

The current EPA mpg numbers for ICE cars are significantly lower when you start pushing speeds above 70mph. If you use a car on the highway a lot then an EV is going to have limitations for the foreseeable future. If solid state batteries ever make the market they will be half the weight and charge much faster. Then we could see cars with 150KW batteries that do a 80% charge in well under a hour.

BTW - Tesla are one of the worst cars for range inefficiencies at higher speeds. (check the car and Driver standardized EV range tests at 75mph)

 

[Crazypostman]

The current EPA mpg numbers for ICE cars are significantly lower when you start pushing speeds above 70mph. If you use a car on the highway a lot then an EV is going to have limitations for the foreseeable future. If solid state batteries ever make the market they will be half the weight and charge much faster. Then we could see cars with 150KW batteries that do a 80% charge in well under a hour.

BTW - Tesla are one of the worst cars for range inefficiencies at higher speeds. (check the car and Driver standardized EV range tests at 75mph)

I believe that! I've have 70 mph range tested a Model X p100d and a model 3 LR could never get very close to matching EPA for sure

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