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We recently took a trip to Moab. This was our first long distance trip in our 1 year old 22 premium AWD ER. This was a 2110 mile round trip, the trip log in the car said we overall averaged 3.0 miles per kWh, although I’m not sure that was right as we made a fairly steady 75 mph most of the way and showed between 2.7-2.4 miles per kWh. We were doing better than that a few places but I don’t think we could get that kind of mileage for the overall trip.

We left the Lawrence, Ks. area and planned to stop in Denver for the first night. We did charges in Kansas at Salina, Hays, and Colby on I-70 at EA chargers. In Colorado we charged at Burlington and Bennett at ChargePoint chargers. We got to the west side of Denver after an 11 hour drive. Our old ICE car did the drive in about 9 hours, but the extra 2 hours charging was really very comfortable and relaxing. We talked to some nice people charging their cars and a couple of people that wandered over and asked about the Mach-e and ev’s in general. That never happens when you’re at a gas pump and it was a nice change.

We couldn’t find a hotel with chargers that fit our needs, so we stayed at Colorado Mills mall which had a big EA station and an even bigger Tesla station and charged there while we ate.

The next morning we left for Moab, Utah and changed in Vail and Grand Junction Colo. we got to Moab after a 6 hour drive. Moab has a new magic dock Tesla charger station and we wanted to try it out. I had downloaded the Tesla app before leaving and registered card info on it. When we got there it took a few minutes to figure out how to use the app, but once we did the magic dock released from the charger, we plugged in and charged easily. It was not any faster then our other charges but I believe that was the car and not the charger. 2 Tesla guys came over and talked to us about how we were managing to charge there. The first guy seemed a little grumpy about the “ riff-raff” using his chargers, the second guy was really interested in seeing the magic-dock and thought it was a good thing for ev’s to share the Tesla system. I liked talking to the second guy better!

We stayed at the Gonzo Inn at Moab. Funny name but a really nice place with 2 free chargers which we used all 3 nights we were there. We were the only ev there but I wonder as ev’s increase in numbers how long that free charging at hotels will last.

We were in Moab for 2 full days and we went to Dead horse point state park, Canyonlands NP and Arches NP. This is some of the most breathtaking scenery in the country and by the number of foreign tourists maybe the world. It’s an area that everyone should see at some point.

Coming back, we pretty much duplicated our charging stops.

We had 2 things we noticed about the car. We felt the charging could have been a bit faster. We would start the charge in the 160 kWh range but by around 60% SOC we would drop to 110 kWh and at 70% we would be around 60 kWh . We expected the charge curve to drop at 80% to around 30% but early on in the charging it just seemed we could be keeping a bit higher charge rate. These figures were very consistent so this is just what the car would do for us. This probably added about 5 - 10 minutes per charge session which didn’t bother us but other people might find it too slow for their taste.

The other thing was we thought that Ford navigation could be more intuitive in its use. At times it was difficult to find the charger we needed or program in a change of charger sites. But between ford nav, PlugShare and google maps we always got where we needed to be.

Everywhere we needed to charge, we charged. BUT, about half of the chargers we stopped at had some “obstacle“ we needed to overcome. These were unavailable docks, charges starting and then disconnecting and not accepting the app on the first try. We always got around the problem but when was the last time you pulled up to a gas pump and had a problem? If ev’s are going to gain a big following these problems will have to be eliminated along with needing 4-5 different apps to access different charging systems. The other thing that really bothered me? All chargers except one were located in the open. With sunlight on the charger, you simply cannot read the screen easily. This will not be acceptable to the general public.

With all this said, the Mach-E was flawless throughout the trip. Powerful, smooth, quiet and a great road trip car. As someone whose first car was a 64 dodge dart I find any car today a technological marvel, but with blue cruise and sirius radio and everything else it offers, the Mach-e is just an amazing piece of equipment.

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I'm sad that you didn't make it to Zion. It's my favorite place on earth. I love to hike and some of the views in Zion are absolutely breathtaking. Maybe next time!
 

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I hope Tesla is expecting any manufacturer signing onto Tesla SCs will expect that company to build the same ratio of SCs/EVs that Tesla has. So all needing charges will benefit from more SCs being built. Ford, GM etc should have to put their label on their SCs so we know who to blame if they are not working!
 

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I hope Tesla is expecting any manufacturer signing onto Tesla SCs will expect that company to build the same ratio of SCs/EVs that Tesla has. So all needing charges will benefit from more SCs being built. Ford, GM etc should have to put their label on their SCs so we know who to blame if they are not working!
Not quite sure what you are saying here. Tesla is not giving permission for other mfgs to build superchargers. They opened up their connector for anyone to adopt and they are signing agreements so that other vehicles mfgs can use their supercharger network, which is currently proprietary without Magic Dock. The superchargers themselves are patented and Telsa has not released those to anyone. I think you are getting the connector confused with the supercharger, they are not one in the same.
 


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I hope Tesla is expecting any manufacturer signing onto Tesla SCs will expect that company to build the same ratio of SCs/EVs that Tesla has. So all needing charges will benefit from more SCs being built. Ford, GM etc should have to put their label on their SCs so we know who to blame if they are not working!
Ford is not building any chargers, but GM (funding EVGO) is and they are labeling them.

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After using the magic dock in Moab it got me wondering if the magic dock is how Tesla plans to open its charging network to non-Tesla ev’s?
I know there is speculation about an adapter which you would purchase to access the Tesla network. I can see from teslas point of view, this could lead to damage of its chargers through faulty adapters or improper attachments. The magic dock allows Tesla to control the entire charging process.
I can tell you after using the Moab charger that there was no way I could pull the Mach-e into the proper stall and hook up the proper charger. The cord was simply too short.
If Moab is their final solution, then there are going to be a lot of grumpy Tesla people, I know I already met one of them there while I was charging!
 

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Ford is not building any chargers, but GM (funding EVGO) is and they are labeling them.

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I used EVgo the other day and it was pretty good. It seems to be more reliable than EA in terms of chargers actually functioning.
 

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I don't expect other manufacturers to build SuperChargers, but level 3 chargers compatable with SuperChargers. I can understand Tesla owners being annoyed if they have to share chargers without getting anything in return. GM and Ford building compatable ones would provide that something. Also, Tesla has done the research, design, and stable manufacturing so they work just about all of the time. More chargers that don't work much ofthe time are useless.
 

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We recently took a trip to Moab. This was our first long distance trip in our 1 year old 22 premium AWD ER. This was a 2110 mile round trip, the trip log in the car said we overall averaged 3.0 miles per kWh, although I’m not sure that was right as we made a fairly steady 75 mph most of the way and showed between 2.7-2.4 miles per kWh. We were doing better than that a few places but I don’t think we could get that kind of mileage for the overall trip.

We left the Lawrence, Ks. area and planned to stop in Denver for the first night. We did charges in Kansas at Salina, Hays, and Colby on I-70 at EA chargers. In Colorado we charged at Burlington and Bennett at ChargePoint chargers. We got to the west side of Denver after an 11 hour drive. Our old ICE car did the drive in about 9 hours, but the extra 2 hours charging was really very comfortable and relaxing. We talked to some nice people charging their cars and a couple of people that wandered over and asked about the Mach-e and ev’s in general. That never happens when you’re at a gas pump and it was a nice change.

We couldn’t find a hotel with chargers that fit our needs, so we stayed at Colorado Mills mall which had a big EA station and an even bigger Tesla station and charged there while we ate.

The next morning we left for Moab, Utah and changed in Vail and Grand Junction Colo. we got to Moab after a 6 hour drive. Moab has a new magic dock Tesla charger station and we wanted to try it out. I had downloaded the Tesla app before leaving and registered card info on it. When we got there it took a few minutes to figure out how to use the app, but once we did the magic dock released from the charger, we plugged in and charged easily. It was not any faster then our other charges but I believe that was the car and not the charger. 2 Tesla guys came over and talked to us about how we were managing to charge there. The first guy seemed a little grumpy about the “ riff-raff” using his chargers, the second guy was really interested in seeing the magic-dock and thought it was a good thing for ev’s to share the Tesla system. I liked talking to the second guy better!

We stayed at the Gonzo Inn at Moab. Funny name but a really nice place with 2 free chargers which we used all 3 nights we were there. We were the only ev there but I wonder as ev’s increase in numbers how long that free charging at hotels will last.

We were in Moab for 2 full days and we went to Dead horse point state park, Canyonlands NP and Arches NP. This is some of the most breathtaking scenery in the country and by the number of foreign tourists maybe the world. It’s an area that everyone should see at some point.

Coming back, we pretty much duplicated our charging stops.

We had 2 things we noticed about the car. We felt the charging could have been a bit faster. We would start the charge in the 160 kWh range but by around 60% SOC we would drop to 110 kWh and at 70% we would be around 60 kWh . We expected the charge curve to drop at 80% to around 30% but early on in the charging it just seemed we could be keeping a bit higher charge rate. These figures were very consistent so this is just what the car would do for us. This probably added about 5 - 10 minutes per charge session which didn’t bother us but other people might find it too slow for their taste.

The other thing was we thought that Ford navigation could be more intuitive in its use. At times it was difficult to find the charger we needed or program in a change of charger sites. But between ford nav, PlugShare and google maps we always got where we needed to be.

Everywhere we needed to charge, we charged. BUT, about half of the chargers we stopped at had some “obstacle“ we needed to overcome. These were unavailable docks, charges starting and then disconnecting and not accepting the app on the first try. We always got around the problem but when was the last time you pulled up to a gas pump and had a problem? If ev’s are going to gain a big following these problems will have to be eliminated along with needing 4-5 different apps to access different charging systems. The other thing that really bothered me? All chargers except one were located in the open. With sunlight on the charger, you simply cannot read the screen easily. This will not be acceptable to the general public.

With all this said, the Mach-E was flawless throughout the trip. Powerful, smooth, quiet and a great road trip car. As someone whose first car was a 64 dodge dart I find any car today a technological marvel, but with blue cruise and sirius radio and everything else it offers, the Mach-e is just an amazing piece of equipment.

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Charging at the Tesla magic dock in Moab, Utah

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Thanks for the trip report. I've lived in Utah for 17 years and finally made it to the Moab area last year. Lots to see and due. To get to Moab, I come from SLC and the non-Tesla charging options are pretty sparce. If one were out of service, I'd be stuck. I was curious how your Ford NAV did with estimated range. We found that when the speed limit was 80 MPH with elevation changes, that the NAV over estimated how far we could make it to the next charging station. You may not have had this issue as you probably had mostly 70 or 75 mph interstate east of Moab.
 

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I know there is speculation about an adapter which you would purchase to access the Tesla network. I can see from teslas point of view, this could lead to damage of its chargers through faulty adapters or improper attachments.
Since Tesla's protocol, which is different from the NACS connector, is proprietary they will only allow the adapters that they want to allow. I think they'll have total control over what adapters are used.

I don't expect other manufacturers to build SuperChargers, but level 3 chargers compatable with SuperChargers.
You are still not making any sense at all. Supercharger is a Tesla product. No one else can make a Supercharger. L3 or DCFC units are made by other mfgs. The adapter for Tesla vehicles to work on those is already a thing. Tesla's can charge at any DCFC with an adapter, not just superchargers. Most of those mfgs, like EA and EVgo have already said that they will support NACS in the future, removing the need for an adapter.
 

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Since Tesla's protocol, which is different from the NACS connector, is proprietary they will only allow the adapters that they want to allow. I think they'll have total control over what adapters are used.



You are still not making any sense at all. Supercharger is a Tesla product. No one else can make a Supercharger. L3 or DCFC units are made by other mfgs. The adapter for Tesla vehicles to work on those is already a thing. Tesla's can charge at any DCFC with an adapter, not just superchargers. Most of those mfgs, like EA and EVgo have already said that they will support NACS in the future, removing the need for an adapter.
You are not making any sense. Just how are other chargers built as NACS chargers going to be worth anything if they are not built to Tesla standards. I doubt if Tesla is going to allow other NACS chargers to be built in half-assed fashtion.
 

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You are not making any sense. Just how are other chargers built as NACS chargers going to be worth anything if they are not built to Tesla standards. I doubt if Tesla is going to allow other NACS chargers to be built in half-assed fashtion.
NACS is just a connector, not a protocol. NACS is also not a supercharger. Tesla makes an adapter which allows Tesla's to use CCS L3 (DCFC) units already. A Tesla can already charge at any L3 unit out there with an adapter.

Tesla can also use the CCS protocol as that's what they use in the EU. No one other than Tesla can use Tesla's protocol. You are conflating protocols with connectors and connectors which charge units.

I will reiterate that Tesla's can already use other chargers. You keep saying "if", it's not an "if", they can right now. Tesla will not control who uses NACS, it's in the process of standardization. No one else will make a supercharger, but other mfgs will use the NACS connector with their own charger. Tesla will have no say over this since they will use the CCS protocol and not Tesla's protocol.
 
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Thanks for the trip report. I've lived in Utah for 17 years and finally made it to the Moab area last year. Lots to see and due. To get to Moab, I come from SLC and the non-Tesla charging options are pretty sparce. If one were out of service, I'd be stuck. I was curious how your Ford NAV did with estimated range. We found that when the speed limit was 80 MPH with elevation changes, that the NAV over estimated how far we could make it to the next charging station. You may not have had this issue as you probably had mostly 70 or 75 mph interstate east of Moab.
As I said in my original post, we found the nav hard to change or add chargers or to find chargers that we knew were there fromPlugShare. We found it good and consistent with it mileage estimates but as I said, we maintained a very steady 75 mph throughout most of the trip so kWh usage was very consistent the entire drive. We charged in Grand Junction Co. for our final leg into Moab and knew we had enough kWh to get there, however, about half way to Moab, suddenly the car said we needed to go past the turn to Moab and on to Green River to charge. I think what happened is the nav did not see a DCFC in Moab and since that is all we had used on the trip, it assumed we would want to fast charge and said the nearest DCFC was Green River. We did fine getting to Moab. I didnt think this was a“Fault” with the nav, it was just following its programming and couldn’t be that intuitive about what we were doing. Hope that ansewers the question
 

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We recently took a trip to Moab. This was our first long distance trip in our 1 year old 22 premium AWD ER. This was a 2110 mile round trip, the trip log in the car said we overall averaged 3.0 miles per kWh, although I’m not sure that was right as we made a fairly steady 75 mph most of the way and showed between 2.7-2.4 miles per kWh. We were doing better than that a few places but I don’t think we could get that kind of mileage for the overall trip.

We left the Lawrence, Ks. area and planned to stop in Denver for the first night. We did charges in Kansas at Salina, Hays, and Colby on I-70 at EA chargers. In Colorado we charged at Burlington and Bennett at ChargePoint chargers. We got to the west side of Denver after an 11 hour drive. Our old ICE car did the drive in about 9 hours, but the extra 2 hours charging was really very comfortable and relaxing. We talked to some nice people charging their cars and a couple of people that wandered over and asked about the Mach-e and ev’s in general. That never happens when you’re at a gas pump and it was a nice change.

We couldn’t find a hotel with chargers that fit our needs, so we stayed at Colorado Mills mall which had a big EA station and an even bigger Tesla station and charged there while we ate.

The next morning we left for Moab, Utah and changed in Vail and Grand Junction Colo. we got to Moab after a 6 hour drive. Moab has a new magic dock Tesla charger station and we wanted to try it out. I had downloaded the Tesla app before leaving and registered card info on it. When we got there it took a few minutes to figure out how to use the app, but once we did the magic dock released from the charger, we plugged in and charged easily. It was not any faster then our other charges but I believe that was the car and not the charger. 2 Tesla guys came over and talked to us about how we were managing to charge there. The first guy seemed a little grumpy about the “ riff-raff” using his chargers, the second guy was really interested in seeing the magic-dock and thought it was a good thing for ev’s to share the Tesla system. I liked talking to the second guy better!

We stayed at the Gonzo Inn at Moab. Funny name but a really nice place with 2 free chargers which we used all 3 nights we were there. We were the only ev there but I wonder as ev’s increase in numbers how long that free charging at hotels will last.

We were in Moab for 2 full days and we went to Dead horse point state park, Canyonlands NP and Arches NP. This is some of the most breathtaking scenery in the country and by the number of foreign tourists maybe the world. It’s an area that everyone should see at some point.

Coming back, we pretty much duplicated our charging stops.

We had 2 things we noticed about the car. We felt the charging could have been a bit faster. We would start the charge in the 160 kWh range but by around 60% SOC we would drop to 110 kWh and at 70% we would be around 60 kWh . We expected the charge curve to drop at 80% to around 30% but early on in the charging it just seemed we could be keeping a bit higher charge rate. These figures were very consistent so this is just what the car would do for us. This probably added about 5 - 10 minutes per charge session which didn’t bother us but other people might find it too slow for their taste.

The other thing was we thought that Ford navigation could be more intuitive in its use. At times it was difficult to find the charger we needed or program in a change of charger sites. But between ford nav, PlugShare and google maps we always got where we needed to be.

Everywhere we needed to charge, we charged. BUT, about half of the chargers we stopped at had some “obstacle“ we needed to overcome. These were unavailable docks, charges starting and then disconnecting and not accepting the app on the first try. We always got around the problem but when was the last time you pulled up to a gas pump and had a problem? If ev’s are going to gain a big following these problems will have to be eliminated along with needing 4-5 different apps to access different charging systems. The other thing that really bothered me? All chargers except one were located in the open. With sunlight on the charger, you simply cannot read the screen easily. This will not be acceptable to the general public.

With all this said, the Mach-E was flawless throughout the trip. Powerful, smooth, quiet and a great road trip car. As someone whose first car was a 64 dodge dart I find any car today a technological marvel, but with blue cruise and sirius radio and everything else it offers, the Mach-e is just an amazing piece of equipment.

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Charging at the Tesla magic dock in Moab, Utah

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