Ford sticking with Apple CarPlay

glenthompson · Apr 14, 2023

Looks like Ford isn’t going down the rat hole with GM and keeping CarPlay. This article talks about it. Since CarPlay was on my non-negotiable list for a new car this makes me happy. Didn’t realize that Ford has an ex-Apple exec on staff.

Logal727 · Apr 14, 2023

glenthompson said:
Looks like Ford isn’t going down the rat hole with GM and keeping CarPlay. This article talks about it. Since CarPlay was on my non-negotiable list for a new car this makes me happy. Didn’t realize that Ford has an ex-Apple exec on staff.

Not just any Apple Exec, Doug Field (also former Tesla exec). I really hope he’s been working on something other than sync lol

tuminatr · Apr 14, 2023

Well Android Automotive does support Android auto and Apple Car play, the surprise is that GM is intentionally disabling screen projection.

I think I most of these articles are Confusing, mainly because Ford, GM, Polestar, and others have already committed to Android Automotive. Ford will use Android Automotive to replace the Blackberry QNX system the we use daily called Sync 4. Likely it won't be labeled Android Automotive it will be called Sync 5. Apple has announced Car Play will remain screen mirroring

Will this change ? Maybe but probably not.

SpongeBad · Apr 14, 2023

tuminatr said:
Well Android Automotive does support Android auto and Apple Car play, the surprise is that GM is intentionally disabling screen projection.

I wonder if Google paid them to do that in a futile attempt to increase Android market share. Would be a good example of GM not seeing the forest for the trees, though - a few bucks per car to miss out on thousands when a significant proportion of people simply won't consider their cars.

tuminatr · Apr 14, 2023

SpongeBad said:
I wonder if Google paid them to do that in a futile attempt to increase Android market share. Would be a good example of GM not seeing the forest for the trees, though - a few bucks per car to miss out on thousands when a significant proportion of people simply won't consider their cars.

Probably not, my guess is Google was much more friendly to customize to meet demands/ needs of automobile manufacturers

Apple has very little history of adapting it's software to work on other companies hardware.

Plus Android rules in terms of global market share around 72% yes the USA is an exception.

SWO · Apr 14, 2023

SpongeBad said:
I wonder if Google paid them to do that in a futile attempt to increase Android market share. Would be a good example of GM not seeing the forest for the trees, though - a few bucks per car to miss out on thousands when a significant proportion of people simply won't consider their cars.

I have zero doubt this is 100% about money.

tuminatr · Apr 14, 2023

SWO said:
I have zero doubt this is 100% about money.

I bet it's no t100% about money but it's definitely a factor, look at companies like Toyota that have very recently (last 3years) added CP and AA. This has be documented that they were a holdout because they wanted an ecosystem they they controlled. Companies like Tesla that use Google maps and a closed ecosystem, like GM that are planning to close their ecosystem

Apple has a closed ecosystem that they controle and I would guess this is what they would do with a OE car OS. Automobile manufacturers don't want to give up that much to apple

MBCook · Apr 14, 2023

The confusion is Google’s fault. Having both Android Auto and Android Automotive is confusing.

Glad to see Ford’s stance. I’m in the no-CarPlay-no-purchase club too. Honestly GM is going to reverse this pretty fast when sales fall and they’re already getting tons of bad press.

All Ford had to do was put out a statement saying “people love CarPlay so we’ll keep offering it” and they get an easy slam dunk.

And what do you know. Here we are.

Tesla is Tesla, and I think the lack of CarPlay will hurt them more and more, but they never had it. GM took it away and that just feels so much worse. Rivian might just be saying it to save development resources and see if it flies.

Good on Ford. Now just let me buy a new CPU unit some day for the infotainment to let me get cool new stuff (like Apple’s take-over-everything mode they previewed). I’ll pay stupid amounts!

(Bad names: Apple is not immune, see the 3 different things that can reasonably be called Apple TV)

MBCook · Apr 14, 2023

tuminatr said:
Automobile manufacturers don't want to give up that much to apple

I think revenue is a bigger issue than control over the interface.

If I’m using CarPlay I won’t buy your maps or your cellular connection (my phone has one, unsurprisingly), etc. You can’t sell me an Spotify subscription you likely get a cut of. And you don’t get nearly as much usage/tracking info because all that is hidden by Apple.

Everyone wants additional and reoccurring revenue these days. No one is happy selling a product and just leaving it at that.

So here we are.

tuminatr · Apr 14, 2023

I don't think CP or AA can hide the GPS info because both use the cars GPS antenna, not the phones.

And yes these are both products Android Automotive is different because it replaces Sync 4 (That's Blackberry QNX if you were wondering). Probably to be called Sync 5. Car play will be run as a screen projection from the cell phone.

So what we don't know is how much Ford will allow CP to access. My guess is it won't be less than current.

Guss-E 2021 · Apr 15, 2023

I would enjoy having Android Auto more if it were not so GD buggy. It freezes up on me constantly. The only way to fix it is to disconnect and reconnect. Fortunately, that happens quickly and easily. But it still requires multiple taps to do so. Other issues as well that I won't go into (save for a different thread).

I wish I knew how much of my issues are related to Google, my phone or Ford or all three. I have the updated AA with shrunken Sync tiles (don't get me started on that decision ?) and a Samsung Galaxy S23+ running Android 13 and One UI 5.1.

I really enjoy the wireless connectivity and, once up and running, mapping and music. But this only makes the lag and freezing all the more frustrating. It's not so bad that I would warn people away from buying a Mach-E but I definitely give them a heads up at the EV shows I attend.

@Ford Motor Company please tell me you have a plan for improving the software experience in this terrific vehicle.

Logal727 · Apr 15, 2023

tuminatr said:
Probably not, my guess is Google was much more friendly to customize to meet demands/ needs of automobile manufacturers

Apple has very little history of adapting it's software to work on other companies hardware.

Plus Android rules in terms of global market share around 72% yes the USA is an exception.

No, GM already admitted it’s because they can make money on the data that Google collects and that it will be subscription based.

Logal727 · Apr 15, 2023

MBCook said:
The confusion is Google’s fault. Having both Android Auto and Android Automotive is confusing.

Glad to see Ford’s stance. I’m in the no-CarPlay-no-purchase club too. Honestly GM is going to reverse this pretty fast when sales fall and they’re already getting tons of bad press.

All Ford had to do was put out a statement saying “people love CarPlay so we’ll keep offering it” and they get an easy slam dunk.

And what do you know. Here we are.

Tesla is Tesla, and I think the lack of CarPlay will hurt them more and more, but they never had it. GM took it away and that just feels so much worse. Rivian might just be saying it to save development resources and see if it flies.

Good on Ford. Now just let me buy a new CPU unit some day for the infotainment to let me get cool new stuff (like Apple’s take-over-everything mode they previewed). I’ll pay stupid amounts!

(Bad names: Apple is not immune, see the 3 different things that can reasonably be called Apple TV)

I find it confusing that people thinks CarPlay support is a binary option because it’s always just been an option if you want to use it or not, why can’t they just keep it like that? We aren’t asking for it to be the main infotainment, just let us access it through your crappy system.

tuminatr · Apr 15, 2023

Logal727 said:
No, GM already admitted it’s because they can make money on the data that Google collects and that it will be subscription based.

Interesting article, it says GM thinks it will make money from the model but on subscriptions like Supercruse that does not work well with 3rd party software

It also states about control over the user experience, probably why Tesla does the same thing

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/4/23669523/gm-apple-carplay-android-auto-ev-restrict-access

hprose · Apr 15, 2023

tuminatr said:
Well Android Automotive does support Android auto and Apple Car play, the surprise is that GM is intentionally disabling screen projection.

I think I most of these articles are Confusing, mainly because Ford, GM, Polestar, and others have already committed to Android Automotive and no one has announced they will preinstall the Car Play OS.

Will this change ? Maybe but probably not.

Ford and Apple have a long term strategic initiative. There are new features expected late this year. With Apple at over 50% of phones and most of them not casual about it, only an idiot car manufacturer would eliminate car play. Manufacturers should be phone agnostic and encourage phone makers to provide features for their vehicles. If the think that they can do better than Apple/Android and make $ doing it then compete. I’ve discussed this with about half dozen friends and to a person they said that they wouldn’t buy a vehicle that didn’t mate with Car Play.

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