DC Fast Charging Volkswagen ID.4 From 0-100% (Out of Spec Reviews)

[TheSteelRider]

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[TheSteelRider]

TLR Don't watch if you own a Mach E and you don't want to get jealous Charging curve is (as claimed by Kyle) very similar to the M3; starts at 125 KWh, tapers smoothly over time. Quick video, worth the watch.

 

[fayt349]

TLR Don't watch if you own a Mach E and you don't want to get jealous Charging curve is (as claimed by Kyle) very similar to the M3; starts at 125 KWh, tapers smoothly over time. Quick video, worth the watch.

I think that’s actually a good thing. Maybe it means it’s just an software problem with the Mach e that can be fixed with an update. Rather than a problem with the EA chargers themselves?

 

[TheSteelRider]

I think that’s actually a good thing. Maybe it means it’s just an software problem with the Mach e that can be fixed with an update. Rather than a problem with the EA chargers themselves?

That's definitely *my* takeaway from the video! I still remain cautiously optimistic that the Mach E charge curve will improve noticeably if not substantially over the coming year or so.

 

[littlD]

That's definitely *my* takeaway from the video! I still remain cautiously optimistic that the Mach E charge curve will improve noticeably if not substantially over the coming year or so.

That's certainly possible and I hope so for my MME friends.

I think the deciding factor will be how well the MME cools the battery pack during DC charging.

The charging curve on my 2018 Model 3 is much better than when we first got the car.

Of course, we also picked up V3 Superchargers (250kW) which I've used in Nashville many times during road trips.

And the cooling system on the Model 3/Y is much more robust than the original S/X packs. Software can't fix low cooling capacity.

 

[jhalkias]

Hopefully the Mach E can get a similar charging curve in an OTA update. Hoping for better results in the near future.

 

[SteelMach]

Hopefully the Mach E can get a similar charging curve in an OTA update. Hoping for better results in the near future.

I was hoping this was going to be in the first OTA - not "Refinements, bug fixes" (whatever that includes).

The Mach-E's charge curve is a total disappointment.

In similar weather to Kyle's, I got 40 kW out of my Mach-E at a 350 kW EA station, because the pack was so cold. Even in warmer weather, 90 kW has been the max I've seen.

Didn't realize the ID.4 was going to be the better road tripper even with the shorter range. Add the salt in the wound that the ID.4's charging is literally free. Faster *AND* free.

This should be priority #1 at Ford - fix the Mach-E's charge curve to sustain 150, remove the 80% cliff, add preconditioning.

 

[jhalkias]

I was hoping this was going to be in the first OTA - not "Refinements, bug fixes" (whatever that includes).

The Mach-E's charge curve is a total disappointment.

In similar weather to Kyle's, I got 40 kW out of my Mach-E at a 350 kW EA station, because the pack was so cold. Even in warmer weather, 90 kW has been the max I've seen.

Didn't realize the ID.4 was going to be the better road tripper even with the shorter range. Add the salt in the wound that the ID.4's charging is literally free. Faster *AND* free.

This should be priority #1 at Ford - fix the Mach-E's charge curve to sustain 150, remove the 80% cliff, add preconditioning.

I'm not as worried about the 80% cliff. If you listened to what Kyle said about road tripping it was "charge to about 50% and move on to the next charger" because the charge curve starts to ramp down after 50%. That may not always be possible, but even the ID4 ramps down deeper into the pack, and I cannot imagine doing DCFC beyond 80% very often on a road trip. If the Mach E could maintain 150KWH to 50%, and ramp down to say 100KWH by 80%, that would be very helpful.

 

[benk016]

I'm not as worried about the 80% cliff. If you listened to what Kyle said about road tripping it was "charge to about 50% and move on to the next charger" because the charge curve starts to ramp down after 50%. That may not always be possible, but even the ID4 ramps down deeper into the pack, and I cannot imagine doing DCFC beyond 80% very often on a road trip. If the Mach E could maintain 150KWH to 50%, and ramp down to say 100KWH by 80%, that would be very helpful.

I completely agree. If you are in a situation where you need to charge over 80% on a trip, you need to just plan it accordingly and account for extra time. While I think it could be improved some, I don't expect the speed over 80% SoC to get turned up much.

 

[SteelMach]

I'm not as worried about the 80% cliff. If you listened to what Kyle said about road tripping it was "charge to about 50% and move on to the next charger" because the charge curve starts to ramp down after 50%. That may not always be possible, but even the ID4 ramps down deeper into the pack, and I cannot imagine doing DCFC beyond 80% very often on a road trip. If the Mach E could maintain 150KWH to 50%, and ramp down to say 100KWH by 80%, that would be very helpful.

It remains an issue because as you say, it is not always possible.

If nobody will do it, why bother with the cliff anyway? Just get rid of it like all other EVs do

 

[jhalkias]

It remains an issue because as you say, it is not always possible.

If nobody will do it, why bother with the cliff anyway? Just get rid of it like all other EVs do

I never said nobody would do it.

Some Jack Fool would charge at 150KWH to 100% if you let them whether or not it blew the car up or engulfed it in flames.

I think Ford should be cautious at 80% or more until they have data on how it affects the battery pack. My expectation is that will get ramped up a bit too - but clearly not to 150KWH - maybe between 30-50KWH as they get good data and ramp it down for safety.

Every EV I am aware of has a curve, and a curve means it does ramp down closer to full charge.

Even the Taycan ramps down to about 50KW after 80%

https://insideevs.com/news/427335/porsche-taycan-dc-charging-test/

 

[SteelMach]

I never said nobody would do it.

Some Jack Fool would charge at 150KWH to 100% if you let them whether or not it blew the car up or engulfed it in flames.

I think Ford should be cautious at 80% or more until they have data on how it affects the battery pack. My expectation is that will get ramped up a bit too - but clearly not to 150KWH - maybe between 30-50KWH as they get good data and ramp it down for safety.

Every EV I am aware of has a curve, and a curve means it does ramp down closer to full charge.

Even the Taycan ramps down to about 50KW after 80%

https://insideevs.com/news/427335/porsche-taycan-dc-charging-test/

Ramps don't look like square waves. That's my issue. It does not ramp today, it falls flat on its face instantaneously at 80%. Have it linearly slope from 80 kW at 80% to 11 kW by 95% and I'd be fine. Just don't cut it off like it does.

 

[littlD]

I was hoping this was going to be in the first OTA - not "Refinements, bug fixes" (whatever that includes).

The Mach-E's charge curve is a total disappointment.

In similar weather to Kyle's, I got 40 kW out of my Mach-E at a 350 kW EA station, because the pack was so cold. Even in warmer weather, 90 kW has been the max I've seen.

Didn't realize the ID.4 was going to be the better road tripper even with the shorter range. Add the salt in the wound that the ID.4's charging is literally free. Faster *AND* free.

This should be priority #1 at Ford - fix the Mach-E's charge curve to sustain 150, remove the 80% cliff, add preconditioning.

I did a 0F supercharger test recently, and my Model Y charging peaked at 138kW starting at 17% SOC. Took 30 minutes to go from 17% to 80%. And yes, the battery was nice and warm as I drove over 50 miles plus I selected the supercharger with the Nav. This turned on some further preconditioning.

Gosh I hope Ford would do the same. Precondition the battery when getting close to a DC fast charger. Hopefully that's something they can add via software and not be a "2022 model" hardware based thing.

 

[RoyRogers]

Comparison charging including Mach e
Tesla and Mercedes

 

[SteelMach]

I did a 0F supercharger test recently, and my Model Y charging peaked at 138kW starting at 17% SOC. Took 30 minutes to go from 17% to 80%. And yes, the battery was nice and warm as I drove over 50 miles plus I selected the supercharger with the Nav. This turned on some further preconditioning.

Gosh I hope Ford would do the same. Precondition the battery when getting close to a DC fast charger. Hopefully that's something they can add via software and not be a "2022 model" hardware based thing.

It had better be a software fix for 2021MY vehicles, and it had better come quick (like before it gets cold in the northern hemisphere again) if Ford ever wants this loyal customer to ever buy another. That's how fed up I am with this car.

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