Problems, problems, problems...

fightinag

Banned
Banned
First Name
Ron
Joined
Jun 6, 2021
Threads
9
Messages
437
Reaction score
426
Location
77808
Vehicles
2021 mach e
Occupation
retired flight nurse
Country flag
Youd think with the lack of vehicles on their lots, dealerships would be laying down welcome mats for customers......but instead they've developed a We Don't Give A Flying F... Attitude !
Sponsored

 

jddrews

Well-Known Member
First Name
Jonathan
Joined
Apr 22, 2021
Threads
11
Messages
235
Reaction score
338
Location
Portland, OR
Vehicles
2021 Mach-E Premium ER AWD Dark Matter Grey
Country flag
How was your experience overall at Landmark? I’ll be picking up my car from them in a few weeks, hopefully.
 

Neil4Real

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 8, 2021
Threads
15
Messages
3,248
Reaction score
2,939
Location
Southern California
Vehicles
Mach-E GT Performance Edition - Shadow Black
Country flag
I just had the rear brake pads and rotors changed as material from the brake pad came loose and stuck to the rotor on the passenger rear wheel and the car made a "thump, thump, thump" noise from back there. I asked them to change the front brake pads/rotors too as there is a TSB out on those but the Service writer refused. I told him that of course they didn't make any noise for the mechanic who test drove my car after the rear brakes were replaced because they were not wet. I've got a complaint in to the Service Manager asking him to intervene and get the front brake pads and rotors replaced too under the TSB. We'll see what happens. Up until now, the Service Department has been very cooperative when it comes to working on my car. My question is are the new brake pads made of a different material so this doesn't keep happening? From some of the comments (above) I'm starting to wonder.
Yes, the bulletin shows the old pads and the new. Essentially the pads they put on them originally had a gap in the middle, they're replacing them with completely flat/solid pads now.
 

Illinibird

Well-Known Member
First Name
Mike
Joined
Oct 13, 2020
Threads
40
Messages
1,563
Reaction score
1,445
Location
Frankfort Illinois
Vehicles
2015 Acura MDX Adv; 2016 Titanium Fusion Hybrid
Occupation
retired Endodontist (root canal specialist) and Clinical Assistant Professor
Country flag
Yes, the bulletin shows the old pads and the new. Essentially the pads they put on them originally had a gap in the middle, they're replacing them with completely flat/solid pads now.
Thanks. I noticed that too after looking at the TSB again. Doesn't make any difference as they refuse to change the front pads because it doesn't make any sounds or doesn't stick when the pads are dry and they test drive the car. I guess I'll just have to wait until they are wet and sticking and then bring the car in. They are correct in that the brakes don't make any noise now when they're dry.
 

Neil4Real

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 8, 2021
Threads
15
Messages
3,248
Reaction score
2,939
Location
Southern California
Vehicles
Mach-E GT Performance Edition - Shadow Black
Country flag
Thanks. I noticed that too after looking at the TSB again. Doesn't make any difference as they refuse to change the front pads because it doesn't make any sounds or doesn't stick when the pads are dry and they test drive the car. I guess I'll just have to wait until they are wet and sticking and then bring the car in. They are correct in that the brakes don't make any noise now when they're dry.
I'd just go to another dealer, the bulletin says if the customer reports the issue to inspect what pads are on the car. Or you can try straight up printing out the bulletin and telling them to inspect the pads and prove to you that it doesn't have the pads outlined in the bulletin. Such a joke when they just get the cash from Ford anyways.
 


Illinibird

Well-Known Member
First Name
Mike
Joined
Oct 13, 2020
Threads
40
Messages
1,563
Reaction score
1,445
Location
Frankfort Illinois
Vehicles
2015 Acura MDX Adv; 2016 Titanium Fusion Hybrid
Occupation
retired Endodontist (root canal specialist) and Clinical Assistant Professor
Country flag
I'd just go to another dealer, the bulletin says if the customer reports the issue to inspect what pads are on the car. Or you can try straight up printing out the bulletin and telling them to inspect the pads and prove to you that it doesn't have the pads outlined in the bulletin. Such a joke when they just get the cash from Ford anyways.
I thought about doing that but honestly, the dealer I go to now is the best one in the area where I live. I tried two different Ford dealers in the past (Rizza Ford and Sutton Ford) and their work was substandard compared to where I'm taking it now (Currie Motors of Frankfort). I received the survey that Ford sends after work is done and where I usually give them all the highest marks, I reflected my frustration with them on this survey and didn't rate them very high. The Service Advisor said he'd get back to me about what happened when I wrote him but he never did so I don't feel bad about the rating I gave them. I still think I'll get it done when I bring the car in and the brakes in front are sticking or making a noise because they're wet. Just aggravating that I have to make another trip there. Maybe when it goes in for the panoramic roof/windshield. I also printed out the TSB and showed it to them but that didn't seem to matter.
 
OP
OP
tfitzgex

tfitzgex

Well-Known Member
First Name
tom
Joined
Jul 26, 2021
Threads
50
Messages
321
Reaction score
410
Location
Portland Oregon
Vehicles
2021 Mustang Mach-E Premium extended range AWD
Country flag
How was your experience overall at Landmark? I’ll be picking up my car from them in a few weeks, hopefully.
Henry Goldhammer (sp?) my service advisor is great, He is trying to make things right.

The rest? Well, when they had my car last the guy who drove it must have hit a trailer hitch, it didn't damage the car, but did dent the front plate. Didn't say anything to me.

Given my current problems, I say you are likely to be there frequently. In general I feel the dealership isn't really concerned with my satisfaction. Now that being said, I didn't buy my car there, I didn't order, I shopped until I found one. I don't think they like that.

I WAS going to put my money down on a F150 Lightning at Landmark, But I'm having second thoughts.

I purchased by car from Canby Ford. They were very laid back, but it is quite the drive for me to get there. Landmark isn't the closest dealer Damerow Ford is, but they are straight up scumbags

I just got a text as I'm writing this..... THEY DIDN'T ORDER THE TIRE!

I am done. I truly hope not all ford dealers are like this.
 

ITfarmer

Member
First Name
Michael
Joined
Jun 24, 2021
Threads
2
Messages
15
Reaction score
17
Location
US
Vehicles
2021 Mach E Prem ER
Occupation
Babysitter
Country flag
I’m 16,000 miles in and still getting used to nonexistent customer service at the dealer (coming out of BMW M cars).
The dealer tells me they can’t diagnose or fix any of the issues I have and if they do they’ll charge me $95/hour for the pleasure. Ford corporate and social media says they’re escalating, but I’ve had zero response so far other than lies and platitudes. Many have been reported here already by others, but here’s some of the issues I can think of off the top of my head.
  • Charge door dented body panel in moderate wind.
  • Can’t save radio presets - they all become Comedy Central. The joke’s on me I guess.
    Can’t save number of rows of presets.
  • Can’t save alarm settings.
  • PAAK is completely unreliable.
  • Door codes resets every day or two
  • Screen code resets as soon as car is shut off.
  • My Trip miles often doesn’t reset.
  • XM takes a good 30 seconds to connect in open air.
  • Can’t turn volume down for 20-30 seconds after starting.
  • Remote start (phone) takes at least two tries.
  • If I set to only charge to 80%, the infotainment screen constantly tells me there is a charging conflict based on time of day.
  • Driver window auto-down/up frequently stops working
  • Day/night/auto screen settings forget after a day or two
  • Entire screen/nav/radio stops working at least once a week requiring reset
  • Voice control is horrible. Ask for Walmart, get a list of gas stations (in an EV!!)
  • “Intelligent” cruise control constantly tries to kill me.
 

Ford Motor Company

Well-Known Member
Official Ford Account
First Name
Ford
Joined
May 10, 2021
Threads
23
Messages
2,246
Reaction score
3,026
Location
Dearborn, MI
Vehicles
Mach-E
Country flag
I’m 16,000 miles in and still getting used to nonexistent customer service at the dealer (coming out of BMW M cars).
The dealer tells me they can’t diagnose or fix any of the issues I have and if they do they’ll charge me $95/hour for the pleasure. Ford corporate and social media says they’re escalating, but I’ve had zero response so far other than lies and platitudes. Many have been reported here already by others, but here’s some of the issues I can think of off the top of my head.
  • Charge door dented body panel in moderate wind.
  • Can’t save radio presets - they all become Comedy Central. The joke’s on me I guess.
    Can’t save number of rows of presets.
  • Can’t save alarm settings.
  • PAAK is completely unreliable.
  • Door codes resets every day or two
  • Screen code resets as soon as car is shut off.
  • My Trip miles often doesn’t reset.
  • XM takes a good 30 seconds to connect in open air.
  • Can’t turn volume down for 20-30 seconds after starting.
  • Remote start (phone) takes at least two tries.
  • If I set to only charge to 80%, the infotainment screen constantly tells me there is a charging conflict based on time of day.
  • Driver window auto-down/up frequently stops working
  • Day/night/auto screen settings forget after a day or two
  • Entire screen/nav/radio stops working at least once a week requiring reset
  • Voice control is horrible. Ask for Walmart, get a list of gas stations (in an EV!!)
  • “Intelligent” cruise control constantly tries to kill me.
Hi Michael! Could you please send us a PM with your VIN so I can look into the issues you're having with your Mach E?
 

jddrews

Well-Known Member
First Name
Jonathan
Joined
Apr 22, 2021
Threads
11
Messages
235
Reaction score
338
Location
Portland, OR
Vehicles
2021 Mach-E Premium ER AWD Dark Matter Grey
Country flag
Henry Goldhammer (sp?) my service advisor is great, He is trying to make things right.

The rest? Well, when they had my car last the guy who drove it must have hit a trailer hitch, it didn't damage the car, but did dent the front plate. Didn't say anything to me.

Given my current problems, I say you are likely to be there frequently. In general I feel the dealership isn't really concerned with my satisfaction. Now that being said, I didn't buy my car there, I didn't order, I shopped until I found one. I don't think they like that.

I WAS going to put my money down on a F150 Lightning at Landmark, But I'm having second thoughts.

I purchased by car from Canby Ford. They were very laid back, but it is quite the drive for me to get there. Landmark isn't the closest dealer Damerow Ford is, but they are straight up scumbags

I just got a text as I'm writing this..... THEY DIDN'T ORDER THE TIRE!

I am done. I truly hope not all ford dealers are like this.
Thanks for the review. I ordered through the Ford website and picked Landmark based on proximity and reviews. So far so good. The guy I’m working with has never been overly engaged or pushy which I appreciate, actually. Although, I wouldn’t mind a little more detail and info in his responses to my questions.

I’m keeping my fingers crossed that my car is trouble free and that my purchase goes smoothly. My plan is to use the online checkout and hopefully sidestep the finance office as much as possible.

Edit to say sorry to hear about your experiences so far. I hope everything improves soon.
 
OP
OP
tfitzgex

tfitzgex

Well-Known Member
First Name
tom
Joined
Jul 26, 2021
Threads
50
Messages
321
Reaction score
410
Location
Portland Oregon
Vehicles
2021 Mustang Mach-E Premium extended range AWD
Country flag
and now the backlight on the big display has gone out. I'm having to wait for Nov 8th to get seen at the dealer I bought it from because they only have one tech who knows anything about my car... I'm not sure what Landmark Ford did, but all my settings wrong, they claimed to have performed, that was not done. I gave them the TSB number to update to 1.7, they claim they did... the didn't perform the service @Ford Motor Company you should inspect their warranty claims VERY VERY closely for fraud..


I'm seeing that these dealers and their techs know nothing about how these BEVs work. Shouldn't becoming 'EV Certified" for the dealer involve more than just buying lifts and some tools? Shouldn't there be actual testing for the techs?
 

Cptmorgemaker

Well-Known Member
First Name
Ryan
Joined
Jun 19, 2021
Threads
3
Messages
171
Reaction score
111
Location
Valparaiso, IN
Vehicles
2018 Ford Edge St, 2021 Lincoln Aviator BL GT
Occupation
Electrical
Country flag
So... I think I'm done. @Ford Motor Company will not replace the door panel even though it is CLEARLY a defect.
Also I got a screw in my tire near the sidewall, it wasn't repairable (I patched it because it takes forever to get tires) I called Landmark Ford and talk to one of the service advisors, they said yes 12k/12 mo covered for the tire.

All of my issues are warranty items, They tried to charge me for a rental, but I convinced them that if I spent 60k on a car I would expect a loaner, not a rental. Also, the Explorer they gave me to use smelled like wet dog, and was not remotely clean. I'm not sure who is running their service department, but seriously they need to look at their life choices.
A screw in a tire is not covered by a standard warrenty typically. That is not ford's fault or a defect. And they will not patch a tire typically when it it at the sidewalk due to safety concerns which is a good thing. Alot of stress on the edges.
 
OP
OP
tfitzgex

tfitzgex

Well-Known Member
First Name
tom
Joined
Jul 26, 2021
Threads
50
Messages
321
Reaction score
410
Location
Portland Oregon
Vehicles
2021 Mustang Mach-E Premium extended range AWD
Country flag
A screw in a tire is not covered by a standard warrenty typically. That is not ford's fault or a defect. And they will not patch a tire typically when it it at the sidewalk due to safety concerns which is a good thing. Alot of stress on the edges.
I get that. But when I talked to the advisor at the dealership they said it would be covered. I’m more upset that they didn’t even order the damned tire.
 

Cptmorgemaker

Well-Known Member
First Name
Ryan
Joined
Jun 19, 2021
Threads
3
Messages
171
Reaction score
111
Location
Valparaiso, IN
Vehicles
2018 Ford Edge St, 2021 Lincoln Aviator BL GT
Occupation
Electrical
Country flag
I get that. But when I talked to the advisor at the dealership they said it would be covered. I’m more upset that they didn’t even order the damned tire.
Almost sounds like you need a different dealer if the advisor said they'd replace it and then not I mean any visor should know that a nail in a tire is not covered. Sorry sound like you're dealing with a bunch of new people that they just hired because of you know the new common excuse pandemic. I hate how now it's acceptable to have shitty customer service all due to they can just say pandemic and everyone's like oh yeah the pandemic I get it and it's like no no you still have to take care of us I don't care about the pandemic. You still need to strive at your job or just try even
 

BalsaDust

Well-Known Member
First Name
Tony
Joined
May 31, 2021
Threads
20
Messages
593
Reaction score
848
Location
Delaware
Vehicles
2022 Mach E Premium 4X, 2023 Leaf (wifes car)
Occupation
This, that, and everything
Country flag
I'm seeing that these dealers and their techs know nothing about how these BEVs work. Shouldn't becoming 'EV Certified" for the dealer involve more than just buying lifts and some tools? Shouldn't there be actual testing for the techs?
Not sure whats going on at your dealer but the dealer I am working with has two Ford certified EV techs and all the basic tools needed to work on EV's. The service manager also stated that he has access to region shared tools such as battery lift and other expensive seldom used tools.
In order to be an EV reseller they are required to have a minimum of one certified tech as well as the usual shop and public charger.

Tony

Edit; also forgot to mention that even if a tech is EV certified, that doesn't mean he knows whats he's doing. Auto techs nowadays do not rely on experience and knowledge, they rely on computers and the internet!
Sponsored

 
 




Top