MME vs. Tesla in Short !

[Mr.Doug]

I have both, MME and Tesla MMY.
I have driving them both for six months now, the MME is Nice, but FORD needs to get GOM, and Battery estimates correct and SO MUCH MORE! Tesla on my car has been seamless compared to all the issues with MME, and there are many.. I LOVE the MME, but it is FAR BEHIND IN TECHNOLOGY vs. Tesla.. Ford and Farley need to hire some SMARTER people..

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[voxel]

I have both, MME and Tesla MMY.
I have driving them both for six months now, the MME is Nice, but FORD needs to get GOM, and Battery estimates correct and SO MUCH MORE! Tesla on my car has been seamless compared to all the issues with MME, and there are many.. I LOVE the MME, but it is FAR BEHIND IN TECHNOLOGY vs. Tesla.. Ford and Farley need to hire some SMARTER people..

I don't know if I agree with the GOM being wrong.

I use the built-in navigation and the end SoC (or end miles) seems to be fairly accurate. i.e 40 mile trip through local roads and highway ends up using 40 miles on the GOM. It's very usable and even has chargers located on the map (the ID.4 didn't even have the VW-funded EA chargers - insane). The Model Y navigation estimate was accurate - most certainly. The Tesla GOM was not something I trusted.

My only complaint is the Mach-E ride and seats are harsher than I expected... but this is a "sports wagon"

 

[bs1055]

No issues with my MME at all. Feels much better built and luxurious than the Tesla. Tesla is a great car, but no rattling no vibrating on my MME, and overall MME feels more solid than the Tesla. I would not change my Premium MME for a Model Y.

 

[RockwallRick]

No issues with my MME at all. Feels much better built and luxurious than the Tesla. Tesla is a great car, but no rattling no vibrating on my MME, and overall MME feels more solid than the Tesla. I would not change my Premium MME for a Model Y.

I wouldn’t either even though my Wife thinks the car is possessed!! Lol

 

[pt19713]

The Model Y navigation estimate was accurate - most certainly. The Tesla GOM was not something I trusted.

The estimated range in the Energy is fairly accurate. This is what most Tesla owners use.

 

[Orion One]

A friend got his MY a couple weeks before I got my MME at the end of October. We drove each other's cars... and still are friends ?
His MY is quicker but that's about it. We both prefer the MME... and personally, by far and for multiple reasons all already exposed and discussed on this forum

 

[Tbird]

The estimated range in the Energy is fairly accurate. This is what most Tesla owners use.

I would sure love to see a screen like this on my MME!

 

[Davedough]

Yeah, but one of them looks like a catfish and the other is the Mach E

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

I have both, MME and Tesla MMY.
I have driving them both for six months now, the MME is Nice, but FORD needs to get GOM, and Battery estimates correct and SO MUCH MORE! Tesla on my car has been seamless compared to all the issues with MME, and there are many.. I LOVE the MME, but it is FAR BEHIND IN TECHNOLOGY vs. Tesla.. Ford and Farley need to hire some SMARTER people..

Don’t forget to mention how MME can/does easily exceed stated EPA range estimates, whereas that Y can’t seem to hit it’s EPA numbers. Plus it’s an ugly amorphous blob. Tesla and Elon need to hire BETTER designers. And stop certifying pie in the sky EPA ranges.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html

 

[Whatstreet]

Yeah, but one of them looks like a catfish and the other is the Mach E

Beauty is subjective and is only skin deep. I can shoot down either one of those cars, depending on how I feel, and trim level has a lot to do with which one seems to be the best choice. Tesla isn't even building a car comparable to the Select right now, so that one is easy. The performance of the Performance versions isn't comparable. You might like the E better, but the Y has the testes.

One of the things that attracted me to the E is the tax credits made it less expensive than a comparable Y. But all that may change with the Build Back Better Bill EV Tax Credit. I will re-evaluate when this legislation is done.

 

[phil]

FORD needs to get GOM, and Battery estimates correct and SO MUCH MORE!

You offer no hint as to what your 'so much more' is, but 'GOM and battery estimates' is a very odd complaint. Really? That's your #1 problem with the Mustang? That's where Tesla wins the battle for the E-SUV market? A better GOM?

 

[Davedough]

Beauty is subjective and is only skin deep. I can shoot down either one of those cars, depending on how I feel, and trim level has a lot to do with which one seems to be the best choice. Tesla isn't even building a car comparable to the Select right now, so that one is easy. The performance of the Performance versions isn't comparable. You might like the E better, but the Y has the testes.

One of the things that attracted me to the E is the tax credits made it less expensive than a comparable Y. But all that may change with the Build Back Better Bill EV Tax Credit. I will re-evaluate when this legislation is done.

The beauty thing I can understand. It is subjective. I personally feel the Model S is the only good looking vehicle in that fleet, but others don't feel that way. What isn't though are the actions of the owner of Tesla which I feel are too heinous to overlook.

 

[hawkeye3point1]

You offer no hint as to what your 'so much more' is, but 'GOM and battery estimates' is a very odd complaint. Really? That's your #1 problem with the Mustang? That's where Tesla wins the battle for the E-SUV market? A better GOM?

I can sympathize with the OP on his main point. Having been a GM EV'r for 3+ years, from my experience the MME EV experience has some maturing to do.

Pro's:
Ford did 1-pdl driving well; low gear is also good, although I would have preferred a steering wheel switch; really like the go bias on level ground and the regen/braking bias when going downhill

Con's:
Power status is lacking, a simple digital readout would be an improvement; charging power metrics are nice to have when using a non-networked charge station; battery temp would be useful info

A lot of the info can be gleaned from an OBD reader, but not all of us are micro-controller hobbyist.

To summarize, from an EV-intelligence perspective, IMO Tesla does lead the pack (unsurprisingly), I saw that within seconds of test driving a Model Y. GM/Chevy is a solid 2nd. MME places 3rd for now, with the potential to rival Tesla, eventually. VW is a disappointing 4th. Can not comment on other EV makes because these 4 are my sample set

All that said, from a vehicle perspective, the MME rocks, first by miles, period. Have to give the MY due credit for cargo space, though.

Guessing majority of MME owners are driving their first EV, which is great. Just know it can get better.

My MME salesmen was previously a BMW EV Sensai, from our conversations I learned that the I3 would have made NASA proud, but most of the motor/battery data was overkill. He said Ford made the business decision to defer a lot of data visibility to get the MME to market. Hoping they backfill some in the near future.

 

[Larry Paul]

Power status is lacking, a simple digital readout would be an improvement; charging power metrics are nice to have when using a non-networked charge station; battery temp would be useful info

This (meaning the power status comment) is something that Ford could easily enable on either screen if they want to with a future OTA update. It does not need to come from the OBD port. The data is in the electronics and both displays are programmable. I agree with you… we should have access to this.

Whenever our MME GT PE arrives, it will be our 6th plug in vehicle in the past 23 years. Our 2002 Rav4EV is still used about 5x per week. I have a Palm M515 connected (hardwired) to the OBD port to this day with a small .prc file app - called Rav4EV Info that was written by one of the EV enthusiasts of the day (Greg Hanssen). It gives battery voltages (Min/Max/Avg) overall pack voltage, battery bank temps, outside temp, amp draw/regen braking while driving, and while charging-all at a glance (and more). There are also other details if you dive deeper, generally not while driving. This is from a car with BMS electronics that first hit the market in 1997. I credit that app for being what keeps my NiMh batteries that were made nearly 20 years ago alive to this day.

All of that data and much more is available to be displayed In a modern EV. We should not have to put a Bluetooth OBD reader to our phones and have someone develop an CarPlay/Android Auto app to be able to show us that information on the screen…but I am sure that will come if someone made an app for just the 339 cars that were made available to the public. With the 10s of thousands of MMEs that have been rolled out already and hundreds of thousands more expected some one will do this… if Ford does not.

Ford- if you are listening : Please get in front of this and make it a more integrated advanced option that one can choose to look at before the market does. This should be an easy OTA update. I will sign up to be an advisor and beta tester for this…

 

[Olds442]

ultimately the range any EV is given, is done so by the EPA and not the mfg.

why it's so right with most companies and so wrong about T, is anyone's guess. but it's not T that states their range, it's the EPA.

i've had 3 teslas, why did i reserve a MME? fit, finish, build quality, more familiar cabin layout.

the tech will get there.

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