Order prior to price increase, increased in price

[Wingman335]

I heard back from my dealer- he said while there are no ADM or additional accessories to buy, they will charge whatever is on the sticker. This is based off communication received from Ford directly. He said that if there is price protection for my order, the window sticker will reflect it. The message is that window sticker "doesn't lie"- it will reflect the true MSRP of the vehicle and that's what I will be paying.

So bottom line is to wait and see what the window sticker says.

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[RickMachE]

I heard back from my dealer- he said while there are no ADM or additional accessories to buy, they will charge whatever is on the sticker. This is based off communication received from Ford directly. He said that if there is price protection for my order, the window sticker will reflect it. The message is that window sticker "doesn't lie"- it will reflect the true MSRP of the vehicle and that's what I will be paying.

So bottom line is to wait and see what the window sticker says.

Your dealer is wrong. It's not the window sticker. It's the information in the Ford system which shows the MSRP, invoice, etc. You may find that the physical window sticker is the higher price, but the Ford system will display the lower price.

 

[Toreus]

Just wanted to chime in, my order placed mid-November was also up 2K. Immediately reached out to the dealer who said it might have something to do with the build not being started yet. 2K isn’t a lot of money in the grand scheme of this car’s total price, yet the principle of this really irritates me. We agreed to something and put money down under that agreement. Just because you can screw customers over with a 2K markup doesn’t mean you should.

 

[RickMachE]

Just wanted to chime in, my order placed mid-November was also up 2K. Immediately reached out to the dealer who said it might have something to do with the build not being started yet. 2K isn’t a lot of money in the grand scheme of this car’s total price, yet the principle of this really irritates me. We agreed to something and put money down under that agreement. Just because you can screw customers over with a 2K markup doesn’t mean you should.

Read post #205. There is no issue. You're wasting energy typing...

 

[Wingman335]

Read post #205. There is no issue. You're wasting energy typing...

There's no proper source for that information. It didn't necessarily come from Ford, but supposedly a "trustworthy source" without any credentials to back that up.

 

[Toreus]

I’ll believe this when the price in my reservation is adjusted back to what was originally agreeed. Somebody somewhere made the effort to change the price in the reservation for all of us, so until that’s undone, I find it really confusing to me that you’re granting the benefit of the doubt, when Ford and most dealers haven’t earned that imo.

 

[RickMachE]

I’ll believe this when the price in my reservation is adjusted back to what was originally agreeed. Somebody somewhere made the effort to change the price in the reservation for all of us, so until that’s undone, I find it really confusing to me that you’re granting the benefit of the doubt, when Ford and most dealers haven’t earned that imo.

It won't be adjusted back.

 

[RickMachE]

There's no proper source for that information. It didn't necessarily come from Ford, but supposedly a "trustworthy source" without any credentials to back that up.

You know not what you speak. The source, from the Blue Oval Forum, from user "Ice Capades", is a valid source for Ford info. He's been on the forum since 2001. I can tell you this from past experience. Doubt all you want, hell - cancel your order if you want.

 

[Wingman335]

You know not what you speak. The source, from the Blue Oval Forum, from user "Ice Capades", is a valid source for Ford info. He's been on the forum since 2001. I can tell you this from past experience. Doubt all you want, hell - cancel your order if you want.

I am going off of an authorized Ford representative (dealer), who has said that I will have to pay what is on the sticker. I don't really care if there is a person called Ice Capades who has been on the forum for decades talking about stuff without showing his credentials. If Ford (or an authorized representative) is not saying what Ice Capades dude is saying, it's hard to believe it.

At this time, there are only two proper sources from Ford that are indicating we have to pay the increased price:

- The Ford Reservations page
- The Ford dealer

 

[RickMachE]

I am going off of an authorized Ford representative (dealer), who has said that I will have to pay what is on the sticker. I don't really care if there is a person called Ice Capades who has been on the forum for decades talking about stuff without showing his credentials. If Ford (or an authorized representative) is not saying what Ice Capades dude is saying, it's hard to believe it.

At this time, there are only two proper sources from Ford that are indicating we have to pay the increased price:

- The Ford Reservations page
- The Ford dealer

Your dealer is not an "authorized Ford representative". They are an independent entity.

Do what you want, believe what you want. Ford's system, which the dealer will access at time of delivery to produce the invoice, shows very clearly all the details. That's all that matters.

 

[TenaflyNJ]

I’ll believe this when the price in my reservation is adjusted back to what was originally agreeed. Somebody somewhere made the effort to change the price in the reservation for all of us, so until that’s undone, I find it really confusing to me that you’re granting the benefit of the doubt, when Ford and most dealers haven’t earned that imo.

This comment is a bit inaccurate in relation to how computer stored information is changed. Someone didn’t go through the trouble to change YOUR order. Someone ran an update statement on the database and it changed ALL orders that met its filter. I used to write these queries for billions of dollars of equity transactions when I was a green 23 old with a team of 3 other 23 year olds. Script mistakes that didn’t represent the actual business intent were made all the time.

My dealer was insistent on a signed purchase contract when I ordered. It says the base price of the car (GT, $59,995) and D-Plan.

I’m pretty sure that offering to sell an item for a price for future delivery then taking a deposit for this sale establishes a form of contract. My understanding, and one that I would certainly sue to protect, is it would have to be explicit that the price was variable in no uncertain terms, small print, or obfuscated part that the price could change after the initial agreement is made.

Tho, if your dealer is an ass, it might be a hassle getting it done. I’m hoping with my purchase order and the dealer I selected that the friction is minimal, because there is only 1 right answer, and I believe it’s been provided by Rick.

 

[Mach1E]

Your dealer is not an "authorized Ford representative". They are an independent entity.

Do what you want, believe what you want. Ford's system, which the dealer will access at time of delivery to produce the invoice, shows very clearly all the details. That's all that matters.

I’m not sure why everyone wants to cling to “bad news” and no one is accepting your “good news.”

At the end of the day, dealers will try to make more money and play games. However, you are giving them all the information they need to be prepared.

If everyone is freaking out over a 3% price increase for a newer model year, I can’t imagine how they’re treating their local restaurants that raised prices 25% this year.

Are people really not willing to pay $2k more for a 2022 than a 2021?

I wonder what’s going to happen to the forums in 10 months when the $7,500 tax credit runs out. PANDEMONIUM!!

Should I start a “will my car be delivered before October 31” thread now?

 

[barryvo]

I’m not sure why everyone wants to cling to “bad news” and no one is accepting your “good news.”

At the end of the day, dealers will try to make more money and play games. However, you are giving them all the information they need to be prepared.

If everyone is freaking out over a 3% price increase for a newer model year, I can’t imagine how they’re treating their local restaurants that raised prices 25% this year.

Are people really not willing to pay $2k more for a 2022 than a 2021?

I wonder what’s going to happen to the forums in 10 months when the $7,500 tax credit runs out. PANDEMONIUM!!

Should I start a “will my car be delivered before October 31” thread now?

I see your point and understand the price increase. The thing bothering people is the price going up after the order and being caught off guard. Some on here feel strongly it is not an issue and there will actually not be an increase for those who ordered before the price hike. Others are not so sure and there is not a clear answer from Ford at this point. Price protection references refer to cars that have been invoiced by a certain date. Many people ordered before the price increase and do not have a build date date so there is no invoice. I do not think the tax credit is a big deal as there is a huge car company selling countless cars which do not qualify for it. I personally decided to cancel my order and just go with something else down the road. I'm not a fan for companies screwing people over. This is also my last post as there is no longer a need to remain on the forum.

I appreciate all the great information the forum has provided but it is time to move on.

 

[Toreus]

This comment is a bit inaccurate in relation to how computer stored information is changed. Someone didn’t go through the trouble to change YOUR order. Someone ran an update statement on the database and it changed ALL orders that met its filter. I used to write these queries for billions of dollars of equity transactions when I was a green 23 old with a team of 3 other 23 year olds. Script mistakes that didn’t represent the actual business intent were made all the time.

My dealer was insistent on a signed purchase contract when I ordered. It says the base price of the car (GT, $59,995) and D-Plan.

I’m pretty sure that offering to sell an item for a price for future delivery then taking a deposit for this sale establishes a form of contract. My understanding, and one that I would certainly sue to protect, is it would have to be explicit that the price was variable in no uncertain terms, small print, or obfuscated part that the price could change after the initial agreement is made.

Tho, if your dealer is an ass, it might be a hassle getting it done. I’m hoping with my purchase order and the dealer I selected that the friction is minimal, because there is only 1 right answer, and I believe it’s been provided by Rick.

I understand how it works, in a past life I worked for a few years as a SQL Server database administrator. Speaking your language then, the fact is that the filter used for the update query here included vehicles where reservation date predated the price change. That should not have been a complicated query, assuming their RDB is appropriately normalized. Anyway, I’m not going to rest easy until the price is readjusted.

 

[RickMachE]

Price protection references refer to cars that have been invoiced by a certain date.

You are incorrect. Read it again. Invoicing means you don't need price protection, because the invoice already exists. Read after that line.

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