Will other EVs ever catch up with Tesla?

[Rt1AWD]

You have to understand, that what Tesla is developing - it is not a car, but autonomous robot. No other car manufacturer (may be with the exception of Hyundai/Kia, but that is a different story) is even thinking on moving that direction because most people still need cars, not automatons for 10-20k extra.

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[Mach1E]

Off topic, but FYI:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-nasa-spen/

Yeah, I actually googled the same story ironically before posting.

That’s why I called it a “tale.” ?

The point I was trying to make was that my side mirrors work just fine. The EV6 use of cameras instead of mirrors in Asian models seems unnecessarily complicated.

 

[MyLittlePony2022]

I think the overall discussion has three points.

1. Quality: Everyone wants a car that is built with quality and will last. We want to minimize our time at the dealer. The days of beer cans in the doors are gone. However, quality issues such as gaskets on windscreens still exist. These are physical quality issues. Other issues such as bugs in software are now a large part of the car.
2. Software: The bugs have to be quickly identified and fixed. This plays into the quality discussion. However, improvements need to be a part of the software conversation. Look at Apple, they are constantly updating their most recent phones software to improve both the form and function. This needs to continue long after we buy the car. The car companies should not stop updating and improving once the car is sold. This is a disservice to the consumer to made the choice to buy the car. With the quality improvements, cars are lasting longer and I think we are keeping them a bit longer. I assume we are not getting rid of them every 3 to 5 years.
3. Features: We all like our gizmos in the car. There are the safety features (back up camera, 360 view, lane change assistance, etc.) that are not necessarily exciting to the consumer but keep us a bit safer. The head up display, sentry and pet mode, foot activated lift gates, phone interfaces, etc. are extras. Some of us want them and others could care less. Yes, you can still buy a basic truck with window cranks and no power windows. If that is what you want, go for it (no criticism what so every). However, I want all the features and love to look at what the Germans add to their high end cars.

I think we all can agree that quality has to be there. The software is a point for the discussion. The features, will always be a point of contention.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Yeah, I actually googled the same story ironically before posting.

That’s why I called it a “tale.” ?

The point I was trying to make was that my side mirrors work just fine. The EV6 use of cameras instead of mirrors in Asian models seems unnecessarily complicated.

As someone whose job is working with cameras, I would hate to have cameras instead of mirrors. The electronics processing speed is nowhere near fast enough to give me light-speed information. At 75-80 mph, camera+video can be too slow to show me some idiot on a motorcycle (or other short wheelbase vehicle) passing me at 100-120 mph.

 

[Socalsp3]

tesla has better supply chain for chips and batteries than everyone else. that's a major constraint for car manufacturers. they're on pace to produce over a million bev this year. more than all other companies combined

 

[secretvampire]

tesla has better supply chain for chips and batteries than everyone else. that's a major constraint for car manufacturers. they're on pace to produce over a million bev this year. more than all other companies combined

Okay, but you are talking about a timeline of one year. You can't extrapolate that advantage out forever.

 

[Socalsp3]

Okay, but you are talking about a timeline of one year. You can't extrapolate that advantage out forever.

chip and battery shortage will be an issue as ice companies switch over to EV. their giga factories are also over 10x more efficient in making a bev. i don't see how anyone can catch them in terms of volume.

 

[ARK]

chip and battery shortage will be an issue as ice companies switch over to EV. their giga factories are also over 10x more efficient in making a bev. i don't see how anyone can catch them in terms of volume.

Notably though, neither chips nor batteries (to an extent) are made in house by Tesla.

Chips not at all, and with batteries, they have collaborations with Panasonic, and are expanding to sourcing from other companies, e.g. CATL.

 

[ab13]

They are running a sprint even though it is a marathon. So for now they are ahead, but the "move fast, break things" attitude doesn't work well for everything. Their driver display can lockup or blank out, and that's accepted by their own design. I wouldn't accept that as part of design,as it shouldn't be allowed to lock up and require user intervention.

At this time most of the legacy companies are working with silicon valley type companies, which is what Tesla did at the start, they learned from established companies then continued their own development.

 

[Av8tor]

tesla has better supply chain for chips and batteries than everyone else. that's a major constraint for car manufacturers. they're on pace to produce over a million bev this year. more than all other companies combined

Tesla has chip issues too

Tens of thousands of Teslas could be incapable of fully-autonomous driving because they lack a standard microchip, report says

• Tesla removed a steering chip from some cars amid the global semiconductor shortage, sources told CNBC.
• This left tens of thousands of Teslas without the ability to become fully-autonomous, CNBC said.
• Tesla also removed the chip because of pressure to meet its fourth-quarter sales goal, CNBC reported.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tes...lly-driverless-chip-shortage-elon-musk-2022-2


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Tesla cut a steering component from some cars to deal with chip shortage, sources say

• Tesla excluded one of two electronic control units in the steering racks of Shanghai-built Model 3 and Model Y cars to deal with chip shortages, CNBC has learned.
• Sources say that tens of thousands of cars with the tweaked power steering system are already shipping to customers in China, Australia, and Europe.
• Tesla employees debated whether to tell customers about the change, but decided it wasn’t necessary since the part is considered a redundant backup, not needed for level 2 driver-assistance features.

Tesla cut a steering component to deal with chip shortage (cnbc.com)

 

[dbsb3233]

chip and battery shortage will be an issue as ice companies switch over to EV. their giga factories are also over 10x more efficient in making a bev. i don't see how anyone can catch them in terms of volume.

I think they'll catch and pass Tesla when batteries, supply chains, and demand for EVs is high enough. Ford averages around 5 million vehicles a year (GM 8M). As they gradually move more models to EV, thousands will become millions.

Tesla will grow too, of course, but I don't think they'll reach 5M+ territory. Possible, I suppose, but they'd need way more variety, and that doesn't seem to be their forte.

 

[Socalsp3]

Tesla has chip issues too

Tens of thousands of Teslas could be incapable of fully-autonomous driving because they lack a standard microchip, report says

• Tesla removed a steering chip from some cars amid the global semiconductor shortage, sources told CNBC.
• This left tens of thousands of Teslas without the ability to become fully-autonomous, CNBC said.
• Tesla also removed the chip because of pressure to meet its fourth-quarter sales goal, CNBC reported.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tes...lly-driverless-chip-shortage-elon-musk-2022-2


FREE VERSION:
Tesla cut a steering component from some cars to deal with chip shortage, sources say

• Tesla excluded one of two electronic control units in the steering racks of Shanghai-built Model 3 and Model Y cars to deal with chip shortages, CNBC has learned.
• Sources say that tens of thousands of cars with the tweaked power steering system are already shipping to customers in China, Australia, and Europe.
• Tesla employees debated whether to tell customers about the change, but decided it wasn’t necessary since the part is considered a redundant backup, not needed for level 2 driver-assistance features.

Tesla cut a steering component to deal with chip shortage (cnbc.com)

yes but they haven't had to shutdown any factories

 

[MachTee]

I lived with a model 3 for 3yrs. While the software is more polished, there's only so much it can do for insufficient or outright missing hardware. Quick examples are the auto headlights and windshield wipers which lack dedicated hardware and instead use the camera. The headlights were constantly coming on and off, and the auto wipers were still horrible after many updates. There were so many little things that annoyed me with that car. Good riddance. As far as I'm concerned, the MME is a far better *car* than the Tesla.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

yes but they haven't had to shutdown any factories

Because they shipped incomplete vehicles instead.

 

[Socalsp3]

Because they shipped incomplete vehicles instead.

id rather have an incomplete mme that's still safe and driveable with the option of a chip install later than waiting for 8+ mos

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