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The OP works in tech, as do my wife and I so I'm certain he's heard of the term vaporware. That term is essentially Ford's whole strategy right now to drum up excitement by any means necessary, sell cars, then screw over paying customers and blame everyone but themselves. Sorry but it's just true, I'm not a Ford fanboy so it's extremely obvious to me what's going on...


Vaporware

noun
INFORMAL•COMPUTING

software or hardware that has been advertised but is not yet available, either because it is only a concept or because it is still being written or designed.


( FYI I love my match-e, I just have no faith in Ford motor company to deliver and do the things they say they will do because they literally are not delivering and doing the things they say they will do )
Well, perhaps you need to do more research. OTAs have been happening since mid last year, as has bluecruise been on the road in job 2 cars.

To what are you referring as vaporware?
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Well, perhaps you need to do more research. OTAs have been happening since mid last year, as has bluecruise been on the road in job 2 cars.

To what are you referring as vaporware?
The frunk button. Duh.
 

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Read between the lines ? I have no knowledge whatsoever, but I think I might be able to make an educated guess ?
WHOA THERE! This is the internet, no educated guesses here, only wild ones pulled from the 7th planet from the sun.
 

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All Job 2 cars should have the frunk button unless there is a Ford server-side issue like I have. In that case, you will only have Lock, Unlock, Start, and Horn buttons in the FP app. FP Support is indeed worthless in fixing this issue, but the button itself is not vaporware. I have seen it in other GT-PE owners’ FP apps. ?ā€ā™‚??
 

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Well, perhaps you need to do more research. OTAs have been happening since mid last year, as has bluecruise been on the road in job 2 cars.

To what are you referring as vaporware?
You must have blue cruise already, as do I. Not everyone does. Some people bought the car, paid extra for blue cruise, was told they would get it by X date, and it's been a year and they still don't have it.

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In Jan Ford of Europe began talking to news outlets about an escape room game for the Mach-E. They had no intentions of actually rolling this out to cars but allowed countless news outlets to make big headlines about it. ( THIS IS LITERALLY VAPORWARE 101 )

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Still no frunk button for some

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You bring up OTA's - I'm happy Ford is trying their best but the way the updates are rolling out is archaic. We all are on this forum having to crowd share info on what the latest update is. From my research, I can't find any source via Ford on what updates have been pushed for the car.

Plus a ton of people are still stuck on very early versions of the car for some odd reason.

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The above is just this car -> don't even get me started on the terrible rollout of the Bronco

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I'm going to go drive my car now. You all can have fun protecting your corporate daddy's honor ?
 


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In Jan Ford of Europe began talking to news outlets about an escape room game for the Mach-E. They had no intentions of actually rolling this out to cars but allowed countless news outlets to make big headlines about it. ( THIS IS LITERALLY VAPORWARE 101 )
In order for something to be considered vaporware, it has to be advertised or even sold to consumers as something they will eventually get. This never was. It's like calling a concept car vaporware. You are really grasping at straws to justify your bitter position.
 

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You must have blue cruise already, as do I. Not everyone does. Some people bought the car, paid extra for blue cruise, was told they would get it by X date, and it's been a year and they still don't have it.

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In Jan Ford of Europe began talking to news outlets about an escape room game for the Mach-E. They had no intentions of actually rolling this out to cars but allowed countless news outlets to make big headlines about it. ( THIS IS LITERALLY VAPORWARE 101 )

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Still no frunk button for some

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You bring up OTA's - I'm happy Ford is trying their best but the way the updates are rolling out is archaic. We all are on this forum having to crowd share info on what the latest update is. From my research, I can't find any source via Ford on what updates have been pushed for the car.

Plus a ton of people are still stuck on very early versions of the car for some odd reason.

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The above is just this car -> don't even get me started on the terrible rollout of the Bronco

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I'm going to go drive my car now. You all can have fun protecting your corporate daddy's honor ?
I feel your pain Black Horse. I love my MME Premium ever since purchased a year ago; however, I was promised BlueCruise would be ready by 2021 fall. Ford said it would be delayed further. Seems like Ford could let us know something as we are now in middle of March 2022?
 

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Plus a ton of people are still stuck on very early versions of the car for some odd reason.
A "ton" is how many? and 1.71 (August of last year) is "very" early?

Dealers are reporting that OASIS is saying a fix is coming in April (which, granted, has slipped from March, which slipped from February....) but I would say its safe to say that BlueCruise is the prime directive and everything is gets to fight over 3rd place.
 
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So, this is where I get confused on the whole charging to 100% thing... when the battery is at (or close to) 100% on shorter trips, you don't get the same effect with regen - but on shorter trips, do you need the regen to do as much? If you're doing a 15-20 mile commute, whats the actual benefit of the regen when going so short?

And how's it more effective on longer trips - wouldn't the extra range of charging to 100% negate the benefit of the regen on even a 50+ mile trip? It seems like its counter-productive both ways..

And, based on that conversation, is it essentially putting to rest the discussion that theres a buffer already built into the capacity and 100% is really 100% - if there's no extra capacity for regen then that seems to be the case.
It might help to think of the battery like a giant gum ball machine where the gum balls are electrons and the only way to refill is by shoving in the balls from the dispenser opening. In that analogy, it would be easier to shove in the balls when the container is nearly empty and get much harder as the container become full. More heat is created when shoving in electrons on a nearly full battery compared to a nearly empty battery.

Additionally, that statement about regen being more efficient when the battery is less full should have a caveat. It CAN be more efficient but isn't ALWAYS more efficient. Even then....it's such a minor variance that it is hardly measurable. An aggressive driving style would likely benefit slightly by charging to something less than 100% displayed while a moderate driving style would make no difference at all.

100% displayed is less than actual. It's not a fixed number, it varies by temperature and some other factors.

The benefit of more efficient regen is you will get more miles per KWh.

Bottom line? If you use less electricity to get where you are going, you save money.

I would also venture to guess that charging is less efficient as well (more losses) when charging to 100%. So another potential cost savings there.
Agree. It all comes down to watts. Charging losses (including regen) are due to heat. The less heat, the more efficiency you can achieve.

I started my day with 100% displayed and then drove 21 miles. GOM said I consumed 5% of the allowable capacity. 5% of 88 kWh is around 4.4 kWh so that calculates out to about 4.77 miles per kWh which of course if not correct. There are way too many rounding errors for such a short trip like that. Plus, 100% displayed was actually 87.72 kWh available this morning so that skews the figure a little bit. So, what was the variable today? Temperature. Battery was cooler when I started my drive and warmer when I finished. The HVB voltage increases slightly as the battery temp rises.

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Boy all this stress about BlueCruise. My crude opinion (but still keeping it PG) based on 3 months of having it is it’s kinda like desperately wanting to hook up with the hot chick in high school and then finding out she’s got stank breath. You’ll still go there some because everyone else is impressed, but inside you’re disappointed…
 

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You must have blue cruise already, as do I. Not everyone does. Some people bought the car, paid extra for blue cruise, was told they would get it by X date, and it's been a year and they still don't have it.

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In Jan Ford of Europe began talking to news outlets about an escape room game for the Mach-E. They had no intentions of actually rolling this out to cars but allowed countless news outlets to make big headlines about it. ( THIS IS LITERALLY VAPORWARE 101 )

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Still no frunk button for some

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You bring up OTA's - I'm happy Ford is trying their best but the way the updates are rolling out is archaic. We all are on this forum having to crowd share info on what the latest update is. From my research, I can't find any source via Ford on what updates have been pushed for the car.

Plus a ton of people are still stuck on very early versions of the car for some odd reason.

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The above is just this car -> don't even get me started on the terrible rollout of the Bronco

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I'm going to go drive my car now. You all can have fun protecting your corporate daddy's honor ?
You probably need to read your own definition of vaporware. Not working well, not ubiquitous, and "archaic" are attributes of something that actually exists, not vaporware. The ONLY vaporware in your attempted diatribe is the "escape room". Yeah, ok you got us there. I don't have all of the updates nor do I have bluecruise - although like the vast majority that don't have it I didn't pay for it either. What I do have is the ability to think rationally.

In the absence of a tenable argument for your assertion you resort to childish behavior. Congrats to you.
 

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A perfect example of why to not bleep things up in the software department: the 737 Max’s Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System and its software. Don’t be like Boeing.
Ugh. MCAS. The acronym Boeing didn’t even specifically call out in training docs because they were hiding the fact that the new engines they were using were placed such that flight characteristics were compromised. Way to go guys. 2 totally avoidable 737 write offs and tragically, hundreds dead.

Yeah Ford, take your time, don’t pull a Boeing.
 

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Ford has done a good job with their labor of love, and it shows in the MachE's popularity. But they really need to step up their game in order to compete down the road. MY 2023 or 2024 should come with the bells & whistles other cars (like the Tesla MY and Ioniq 5 Limited) already have like additional cameras w/ proper sentry mode, better battery management & faster charging rates, better seats & suspension, etc. + stronger OTA deployment.
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