How Long Before People Accept The Mach-E As A Mustang?

[Jimmy2]

Just tell em your Mustang Mach E has that WOW factor: How can something that heavy go so quick 0-60, all without making a sound.

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[Larry Paul]

It does…… until it’s cold out, or the battery is cold or the battery is hot, or a low state of charge etc etc.

The video I posted is about acceleration. And in ideal conditions it’s awesome.

Anything but ideal conditions? It’s embarrassing. There’s a long list of excuses to be made when racing against an ICE mustang.

And yes, that limit (list of excuses) does make “less of a Mustang” IMO.

Agreed, it is less than an optimal race car / ultimate high performance car under certain conditions...but it is still MORE of what makes it a Mustang than millions and millions of other cars that are called Mustang...that in my opinion are quite pathetic and don't drive very well...and people still call those Mustangs. Even when compromised, it is still better than most all Mustangs for standard street driving.

Frankly speaking...if I really wanted a raw performance track worthy Mustang...I don't think I would get this car for that. That is not what it was made for. I am getting this car for many other reasons...and mainly driving in on the streets in real world daily driving for what I do with a car nearly every day. For that this is a superior vehicle...and I think worthy of the Mustang name.

If you don't-that is fine. Don't get one or sell it to someone that does want it for what it is optimal for.

 

[agdad]

Should have just been called the Ford Mach E

 

[Larry Paul]

I think that just as Porsche, Lamborghini, Austin Martin and others very successfully transitioned from exclusive 2 door sports car manufacturers to 4 door and 4 door SUV's.

Ford's strongest brand is the Mustang and I for one would be upset to have some Ford SUV beating most Mustangs.

While Ford Mach E is a better name than other options (Think Edge EV, Explorer EV), I think it would have been a disaster for the Mustang if they did NOT a car with this much performance a Mustang or style it like a Mustang. Since launch it has done more to get more people into a Ford and talk about it than anything else they could have done.

The Mustang Mach E platform gives the best chance for the Mustang to continue to be a future name plate with prestige and this only grows and enhances the name Mustang...not diminishes it. This is only the first alternative variant- there will be others and they will only get better from here.

Of all of the terrible decisions they have made with the Mustang over the years...this I think was the right one.

We are all talking about it...regardless on if you like it or hate it...we are still talking about it and they cannot build them fast enough for the market.

IMHO.

 

[devmach-e]

My $0.02,, not worth a shiny penny…
I, being the owner of of V6 (’Stang purists hate them, maybe only slightly less than eco-boost versions) feel strongly I can comment on this topic having endured some vitriol over the last 11 years of Mustang ownership from some uninformed haters.

I’m sure someone else has said it here before—my take is Ford Corporate was overly concerned with initial public reception and possible lackluster sales figures, so when marketing folks said “Hey lets gussy this up with some Mustang emblems and use the same tail lights and somewhat same hood lines - then hopefully this will sell well“ they bit down hard.
Fast forward to now, well we see all their worry is/was for naught.

I’d bet (with someone else’s money ??) that whenever they can catch up with production and come up with a few easily done design changes for the MachE v2.0, probably 2025, that they drop the ponies, come up with a hopefully superb Edesignated emblem and embrace the MachE name solely.
Yes, I said gussy.

You are correct, that isn’t worth a shiny penny, because that’s not really what happened. Ford engineers had come up with an okay design that would sell okay, but when senior executive Jim Farley (not a marketing guy and not the CEO yet), saw the design in 2017 he told them to go back to the drawing board and “think Mustang”. So they redesigned it from the ground up using the Mustang styling and performance as a guide.

 

[devmach-e]

Not even then.

This broke too many rules. Electric was just one of them. AWD, 4 doors and SUV.

This car appeals to too many “former Prius drivers.” And Mustang enthusiasts and Prius drivers are gonna have a hard time agreeing on what makes a car a car.

Given the number of people on this board who have owned prior versions of Mustangs, I’d say that the car has a lot of appeal to more than just Prius drivers (of which I’m one and fiercely proud of it). The Mustang has broken lots of “rules” over the last 50+ years. Why should this be any more difficult to accept?

 

[rodhx]

History shows performance absolutely does not define a Mustang. It‘s really more a form thing that boils down to two doors and a vestigial rear seat. ?

I do find the whole “Ford can call anything a Mustang” thing a bit funny because all I can think of is the time Ford famously tried and failed doing exactly that. Anyone remember the unveiling of the 4th gen Mustang in the mid 80s? turbo 4, fwd, shared with Mazda?

The automotive world absolutely went thermonuclear that “it wasn’t a real Mustang”. Result was Ford rebadged the new car as the Probe and kept selling the ancient outgoing model to placate the rioting villagers. ?

 

[2021mustangdan]

From the viewpoint that I owned many ICE mustangs over the years, I consider the MME to be a Mustang due to this reasons:

1/ RWD platform, not FWD and if you choose AWD it is rear wheel drive bias.

2/ Better performance than most of the competitors, as it is quicker than base model VW ID4, base model Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6

3/ Mustang styling cues such as trilights, fastback look, long hood etc

 

[Mach1E]

Given the number of people on this board who have owned prior versions of Mustangs, I’d say that the car has a lot of appeal to more than just Prius drivers (of which I’m one and fiercely proud of it). The Mustang has broken lots of “rules” over the last 50+ years. Why should this be any more difficult to accept?

Because you and I and most people here are “regular people.”

What we are talking about is purists and fanboys. And their definition of Mustang and #notamustang will always be more strict.

And this car absolutely does NOT fit the purist definition of Mustang.


That said, what actually got me interested in it is the Mustang Mach name. Owning a 69 Mach 1, the name really mattered.

And if it were an Edge electric and styled as such? I wouldn’t have bought it.

Looks good and fast/fun to drive were my criteria. If I only needed fast, I would have bought a Tesla or one of the South Korean cars.

 

[Larry Paul]

As I noted earlier. I am not expecting 100% consensus.

I think it was a brilliant idea, and I understand others may disagree too. I am thankful that the community prevented Ford from making the disaster to a Mazda front wheel drive platform.


Yes...I was thinking of that one of the largest disasters that was averted (front wheel drive Mazda based)...

https://www.hagerty.com/media/hagerty-magazine/when-ford-almost-killed-the-mustang/

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/that-time-the-ford-mustang-almost-went-front-wheel-drive/

 

[Mach1E]

History shows performance absolutely does not define a Mustang. It‘s really more a form thing that boils down to two doors and a vestigial rear seat. ?

I do find the whole “Ford can call anything a Mustang” thing a bit funny because all I can think of is the time Ford famously tried and failed doing exactly that. Anyone remember the unveiling of the 4th gen Mustang in the mid 80s? turbo 4, fwd, shared with Mazda?

The automotive world absolutely went thermonuclear that “it wasn’t a real Mustang”. Result was Ford rebadged the new car as the Probe and kept selling the ancient outgoing model to placate the rioting villagers. ?

Thank goodness for the #notamustang people then!! Saved us from #nomoremustangs and instead it was the Probe that didn’t survive.

Probably the best thing Ford did last year was to NOT kill the ICE Mustang when the Mach E came out.

 

[Larry Paul]

Thank goodness for the #notamustang people then!! Saved us from #nomoremustangs and instead it was the Probe that didn’t survive.

Probably the best thing Ford did last year was to NOT kill the ICE Mustang when the Mach E came out.

100% agree. If Ford had done that, it would have been a major disaster...but I think the opposite is the result. Ford will continue the more traditional Mustang. For now ICE...

https://www.motor1.com/news/578055/ford-confirms-next-gen-mustang/

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

While Ford Mach E is a better name than other options (Think Edge EV, Explorer EV), I think it would have been a disaster for the Mustang if they did NOT a car with this much performance a Mustang or style it like a Mustang.

I don't think I've seen this particular point presented this way before but that's a really good point, in my opinion.

This was always about keeping the "Mustang" name relevant. I know some people don't want to admit this, but the clock is ticking on ICE vehicles in general, on sedan and couples more so, and on sports cars even more so. Look at the sales numbers for the ICE Mustang compared to crossovers, trucks, SUVs, etc... GM gave up completely on the Camaro for a while and only brought it back under pressure.

Could you imagine being a majority Mustang owner (meaning a V6 or EcoBoost) and having something called "Explorer EV" (*) leaving you in the dust at a light? The press would bring it up every single time the car was talked about - "The Explorer that beats the Mustang".

(*) mainstream use of the name, not Police Interceptor or whatever

 

[Larry Paul]

I don't think I've seen this particular point presented this way before but that's a really good point, in my opinion.

This was always about keeping the "Mustang" name relevant. I know some people don't want to admit this, but the clock is ticking on ICE vehicles in general, on sedan and couples more so, and on sports cars even more so. Look at the sales numbers for the ICE Mustang compared to crossovers, trucks, SUVs, etc... GM gave up completely on the Camaro for a while and only brought it back under pressure.

Could you imagine being a majority Mustang owner (meaning a V6 or EcoBoost) and having something called "Explorer EV" (*) leaving you in the dust at a light? The press would bring it up every single time the car was talked about - "The Explorer that beats the Mustang".

(*) mainstream use of the name, not Police Interceptor or whatever

Exactly...

 

[TonyaE]

I like mustangs and I own a toaster oven.

I’m just not enthusiastic about my toaster oven.

And if I ran into a toaster oven enthusiast, not sure we would get excited about the same things.

And that’s ok.

I love my GTPE. I also love my 69 Mach 1. But I’m ok that only one is unanimously agreed to be a real mustang.

It seems like we all have that middle school version of ourselves still in our heads begging for everyone’s approval.

I have a Mustang, can I sit with the cool kids now?

It’s like we are learning the difference between being in “a band” and being in “the band” all over again. ?

Air fryers……this conversation would have gone differently.?

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