Very slippery when wet. Looking for advice

[harrysiii]

Brakes are applied only at the very end of a 1PD stop to hold the car. The "Brake Hold" icon will only come on if you push the brake pedal after this, but I don't believe it does anything else as the brakes are already in Brake Hold mode.

Yes. I would call that a function of auto-hold, but same difference.

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[tuminatr]

Yes. I would call that a function of auto-hold, but same difference.

That's what Ford calls it on other vehicles

 

[harrysiii]

That's what Ford calls it on other vehicles

Yeah it's auto-hold here too. I was just saying it's not one-pedal using the brakes. It's auto-hold after you come to a stop.

 

[jjwolf]

Yes. I would call that a function of auto-hold, but same difference.

Sorry - couldn't remember what Ford called it. When I looked it up online, I saw "Auto Hold", "Brake Hold", and "Auto Brake Hold" as descriptions of the idiot light, so I had a 66% chance of getting it wrong...

 

[harrysiii]

Sorry - couldn't remember what Ford called it. When I looked it up online, I saw "Auto Hold", "Brake Hold", and "Auto Brake Hold" as descriptions of the idiot light, so I had a 66% chance of getting it wrong...

I think they both sound good. we can say auto brake hold. Haha

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

I asked Jon Bon Jovi for his advice and he wasn't helpful; sorry.

 

[MissyBenita]

Hey Everyone,
My MME (premium RWD) & I live in Hawaii & are now in the middle of an epic rainstorm & flood conditions. I’m currently pulled over in a parking lot after a very scary trip down a mountain highway (H-3), with the car losing traction several times & me envisioning hydroplaning into anyone in my path.

I do not use one pedal driving, tire pressure is 35/36, traction control is on, prior vehicle was a FWD hybrid, but have driven MANY different types of vehicles, including off roading & motorcycles. Also, in the course of my 30 year career as a police officer in patrol, I’ve driven in the worst conditions under highly stressed circumstances, in the crappiest cars doled out to us. I’ve had training in defensive & tactical driving as well as spending the last 5-6 years as a road test examiner for the shittiest drivers imaginable.

That said, I have NEVER hydroplaned on any road in any car in any condition or even felt I was about to - until today. I know once I attempt to make my way home I will be hitting huge ponds & puddles because that’s the way our roads are. I’m crawling along with a steady acceleration, proper steering & minimal braking.

This is just wrong & I shouldn’t feel like this. Have the group come to some sort of consensus re: tires & which ones?

I saw a safety complaint (just one, but I know there’s many more judging from this forum) on NHTSB regarding this very issue. Has anyone who is involved with the tech/developer people brought it up with them? This did happen once before soon after I bought the car while in the tunnel with my 95 year old blind mother. She felt the car leave the road, but fortunately no one was next to me.

In the process of being raked over the coals in the car buying process, I opted for the tire replacement warranty. I realize this is probably for tire replacement due to road damage, but has anyone cited replacements due to a safety issue? I will dig up my paperwork & look into it, but just checking. I do live on a non-paved farm lot, so things can & do go wrong. . .

Also, windshield/glass recall not done since dealer said they are not equipped/ready to do it. I’m lacking about 14 updates that should be OTA & dealer won’t do them since the are not manufacturer ordered/recommended. Are any of the updates correcting this issue? As it stands, my PAAK does not work at all & hope my one FOB doesn’t go MIA.

Sorry, this is a lot to unpack, but if anyone has some constructive advice, I would appreciate it since we are heading into our rainy season.
signed,
Just another lovely day in paradise

Not a good day for the Mach-e. Looks like it's not only the roof that has bad adhesive, but my headlights have also swallowed the rain & are all clouded up. And I got it under roof before it got really bad.

 

[jjwolf]

I've had the opposite impression (i.e., that the Mach-E is relatively good about fording standing water at speed), but I will admit the factory tires are uninspiring, wet and dry. I have also driven a lot of cars, AWD, FWD, RWD, I've done substantial high performance driving on race tracks and auto-crosses in all types of weather, and I live in the Pacific northwest and drive on ice and snow on a regular basis in the winters. While I haven't experienced snow and ice with the Mach-E yet, I haven't had any sense of unexpected hydroplaning on standing water yet. I use a conservative rule of thumb that hydroplaning is a risk anytime the speed in MPH exceeds the pressure in PSI. Supposedly, you would expect it to happen at 10.35 x √ tire pressure (psi), or 63 mph at 38 psi. When I see standing water, I reduce speed to under 40 mph before I reach it (if possible) and while the inertia transfer (from car to water) causes weird handling, I trust that my tire is still in contact with the (wet) pavement underneath.

 

[MissyBenita]

I've had the opposite impression (i.e., that the Mach-E is relatively good about fording standing water at speed), but I will admit the factory tires are uninspiring, wet and dry. I have also driven a lot of cars, AWD, FWD, RWD, I've done substantial high performance driving on race tracks and auto-crosses in all types of weather, and I live in the Pacific northwest and drive on ice and snow on a regular basis in the winters. While I haven't experienced snow and ice with the Mach-E yet, I haven't had any sense of unexpected hydroplaning on standing water yet. I use a conservative rule of thumb that hydroplaning is a risk anytime the speed in MPH exceeds the pressure in PSI. Supposedly, you would expect it to happen at 10.35 x √ tire pressure (psi), or 63 mph at 38 psi. When I see standing water, I reduce speed to under 40 mph before I reach it (if possible) and while the inertia transfer (from car to water) causes weird handling, I trust that my tire is still in contact with the (wet) pavement underneath.

That’s reassuring to hear. I’m definitely not speeding through any adverse road obstacles - quite the opposite. I certainly don’t have your skills, but one would hope that driving through a rainstorm wouldn’t be so challenging. I’ve survived all this time on these roads through storms & such without this uneasiness. Funny, these tires are not cheap, cost wise, but I still feel the need to address it. I will say that mainland roads are sooo much better maintained & engineered than in Hawaii. Thank you for your response.

 

[Neil4Real]

Hey Everyone,
My MME (premium RWD) & I live in Hawaii & are now in the middle of an epic rainstorm & flood conditions. I’m currently pulled over in a parking lot after a very scary trip down a mountain highway (H-3), with the car losing traction several times & me envisioning hydroplaning into anyone in my path.

I do not use one pedal driving, tire pressure is 35/36, traction control is on, prior vehicle was a FWD hybrid, but have driven MANY different types of vehicles, including off roading & motorcycles. Also, in the course of my 30 year career as a police officer in patrol, I’ve driven in the worst conditions under highly stressed circumstances, in the crappiest cars doled out to us. I’ve had training in defensive & tactical driving as well as spending the last 5-6 years as a road test examiner for the shittiest drivers imaginable.

That said, I have NEVER hydroplaned on any road in any car in any condition or even felt I was about to - until today. I know once I attempt to make my way home I will be hitting huge ponds & puddles because that’s the way our roads are. I’m crawling along with a steady acceleration, proper steering & minimal braking.

This is just wrong & I shouldn’t feel like this. Have the group come to some sort of consensus re: tires & which ones?

I saw a safety complaint (just one, but I know there’s many more judging from this forum) on NHTSB regarding this very issue. Has anyone who is involved with the tech/developer people brought it up with them? This did happen once before soon after I bought the car while in the tunnel with my 95 year old blind mother. She felt the car leave the road, but fortunately no one was next to me.

In the process of being raked over the coals in the car buying process, I opted for the tire replacement warranty. I realize this is probably for tire replacement due to road damage, but has anyone cited replacements due to a safety issue? I will dig up my paperwork & look into it, but just checking. I do live on a non-paved farm lot, so things can & do go wrong. . .

Also, windshield/glass recall not done since dealer said they are not equipped/ready to do it. I’m lacking about 14 updates that should be OTA & dealer won’t do them since the are not manufacturer ordered/recommended. Are any of the updates correcting this issue? As it stands, my PAAK does not work at all & hope my one FOB doesn’t go MIA.

Sorry, this is a lot to unpack, but if anyone has some constructive advice, I would appreciate it since we are heading into our rainy season.
signed,
Just another lovely day in paradise

Not a good day for the Mach-e. Looks like it's not only the roof that has bad adhesive, but my headlights have also swallowed the rain & are all clouded up. And I got it under roof before it got really bad.

There is a customer satisfaction update that will do like, all updates available for your car. Phone as a key, fan noise when level 2 and 3 charging, 1.7.1, make sure your car can get OTA updates, etc. You can also go here: https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2021/FORD/MUSTANG MACH-E/SUV/AWD#recalls

And click "Manufacturer Communications." Once there, read each one and see which apply to you. I took my car into the dealer today and begged to just do all FDRS updates and they agreed, but if you do the customer satisfaction update, it covers all of them. If you then tell them other issues that are in the bulletins, they'll do it. Dealers don't get paid to just do the updates for you, they have to log a reason and then they'll get a small labor fee from Ford back. Looking through those bulletins myself, a lot of them were really small, like .3 hours to do an update. A lot of dealers are wary since they can mess up and take longer, especially if the dealer is inexperienced.

 

[noname]

Traded in for model y that has wider tires. Mache was fine except tires and not very interesting interior.

 

[Mach1E]

Traded in for model y that has wider tires. Mache was fine except tires and not very interesting interior.

Well you did it!

Not many people would swap cars instead of tires, but to each their own.

So…… you think the model Y interior is more interesting than the Mach E?

Interesting…. ?

 

[noname]

Well you did it!

Not many people would swap cars instead of tires, but to each their own.

So…… you think the model Y interior is more interesting than the Mach E?

Interesting…. ?

I had select model, picked the wrong trim. No AWD, no heated seat, so it is not just tires that made the switch easy.
Y interior is much better, quality wise. Solid door panels, nice choice of plastic and velvet. Mache door panels would bend by pressing with a finger and looked like wrapped with a trash bag. Didn't like the look of select seats either, however they are comfortable. In other words, still prefer mache exterior, but interior in y is much better and more solid.

It was an easy choice because trade in was above MSRP I paid, so it was not an expensive swap, considering I ordered y in October.

I think I would only consider mache GT trim this time.

 

[noname]

What mache excels though is sound isolation. It was much quieter and had zero rattles. Y has bunch of rattles from b pillar, something from the back and center console. This is the first thing that I've noticed driving on a rough road. Suspension is stiffer, mache had 18" fat tires, so the ride was soft and wobbly. The car would lean left or right every turn. Y rides like hatchback, it does not bother me, I think it is fine.

 

[Mach1E]

I had select model, picked the wrong trim. No AWD, no heated seat, so it is not just tires that made the switch easy.
Y interior is much better, quality wise. Solid door panels, nice choice of plastic and velvet. Mache door panels would bend by pressing with a finger and looked like wrapped with a trash bag. Didn't like the look of select seats either, however they are comfortable. In other words, still prefer mache exterior, but interior in y is much better and more solid.

It was an easy choice because trade in was above MSRP I paid, so it was not an expensive swap, considering I ordered y in October.

I think I would only consider mache GT trim this time.

Could be the select trim, but I’ve just never heard anyone use the words “more interesting” and “better quality” when referring to the Model Y vs the Mach E.

But hey, you owned both, so your experience is your experience.

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