What to expect from Ford and your dealership if your new car arrives defective

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You just used your car 4 days. Just says Ford and the dealer that you don’t want that car. You have by law a try period. My 2 cents.
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You just used your car 4 days. Just says Ford and the dealer that you don’t want that car. You have by law a try period. My 2 cents.
I know but i love the car how it looks and drives and everything. The post is basically for Ford customer service that includes the dealership of course . I dont want to return it i waited for 10 months. Even if i want to switch to different brand i don’t want to wait another year for my new car to be build.
 

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I would ask for the 330hp, twin-turbo 4-cyl Mustang on the showroom floor, lol
 

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maybe you should be like everybody else and have waited till all the bugs were worked out of a new car line, If your willing to buy 1/4 line of the car you should expect some bumbs . ,especially on new technology
You bought your car Oct. 2021. You did not wait until the bugs were worked out. Inane reply. You are full of bugs.
 

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I laugh out loud when someone says this. Did you not do your research before buying? You had an expectation that was not going to happen - you want a comparable loaner (i.e. another Mach-E) when anyone ordering knew that no dealer was going to have one. And, if you read the warranty, not a word about loaners, or free loaners, or anything.

I'd argue you should buy a BMW or Mercedes.

When I first bought from my dealer in 2018, I negotiated a free loaner from the GM, my salesperson. Often I don't ask for one, because it's easier to take their shuttle or use my truck. But when I want one, I get one.
I am having trouble with OPs issue and where they were screwed. Ford, and other OEMs, every one of them in fact, provides a warranty which is ONLY THERE to correct manufacturer defects. That is what warranty means.

So they ran into a manufacturer defect, and Ford, through its dealer network, is working to correct it.

Does it suck? Yeah, obviously. The very same day, within an hour of signing for my 2021 F-150, I went to leave the dealer and hooked up my phone to activate CarPlay, and it didn't work. Either did the hotspot, and I couldn't activate FordPass. This ended up being due to a programming issue with the modem in the truck for F-150s built during a 2-3 week period in 2021. I was really looking forward to wireless carplay, but oh well. It took Ford a few weeks to find and issue a fix. The dealership reprogrammed the modem, and life went on.

Now, before you jump on me saying your issue is more severe, yeah I clearly agree. I am only saying this because sometimes, stuff happens. But Ford took care of it for me, and they will for you. Nobody has been "Screwed" yet. This could happen with GM or Toyota or pick a name. Toyota BEVs have wheels falling off, and Toyota is taking care of it.

So everyone here, with almost no exception, feels for you because you took on an expensive purchase and very quickly had an issue. But if you expect anyone to share in your unrealistic expectation of every vehicle being flawless, that's not likely to happen. Ford raising prices is irrelevant too, they aren't raising prices to pay to resolve your concern. Why people associate price and encountering problems in vehicles is beyond me. There is no logical correlation. Million dollar, hand produced, insane luxury level vehicles have problems and failures. The money isn't relevant.
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Sorry to hear that. I hope @Ford Motor Company is taking good care of you with the rental and hopefully either payment deferment or cancelation until your car is fully fixed and all tests passed.

I really like the car and believe it is the best crossover in the market in close comparison with super expensive Model "X" not Y. Having said that I am scared at this point as I also ordered in Nov 2021 and built the week of July 4th (probably around the same time as yours). I am also a first-time Ford customer. I have been using the 240V charger so far at home and have yet to use DC fast charger and so will drain the car to 10% next week and try DC fast charging to see how that goes.

Please keep us posted on your experience with getting the car as it should be in the first place.

Now having said this might be a question to the @Ford Motor Company or someone in the forum. This issue here is a DOA battery cooling system. Do they not have any End of line testing of the cars to check for functionality? I am assuming this problem could have been detected during this testing.
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Alright some update on my case. Yesterday i had i phone call from the guy who works on my case and he told me the part is shipped with estimated arrival of 09/02. He said he will call on 09/03 to see if the part is not here.
When i ask if they will take care of my upcoming payment he wasn’t very sure if this will happen.
3 hours later i had the guy from the service department of the dealership calling to tell me there is still no info on my part and he will have to check every day. Now i am little confused which one is the real info.
I know this can happen with all brands but i still don’t know whats going on amd how long will take to get my vehicle. Btw i dont know if only the chiller will arrive or my TPS too.
I'm sorry to hear that your experience is like this. But it seems to me that you have a dealer problem. Specifically, a dealer service rep problem. The lack of honesty and blatant lies are not good. The worst thing is that you don't know for sure the problem. And I don't think the dealer, or his tech do either. This can be as little as a software problem that the pump or diverter valve are not getting the command to cool the battery. It can be no more than a air bubble in the coolant system. Or a bad connection. A crushed coolant lines. And on and on. The technology is very new to the dealers. And many have resisted to pay for their techs to go for training. Instead relying on video training. Not the same quality by any means. Verify that your dealer is EV certified. If not, your case manager may have the car towed to one that is.
I can't wait to hear what the actual solution is.
 
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State the reasons behind “I am scarred.”
I'm sorry to hear that your experience is like this. But it seems to me that you have a dealer problem. Specifically, a dealer service rep problem. The lack of honesty and blatant lies are not good. The worst thing is that you don't know for sure the problem. And I don't think the dealer, or his tech do either. This can be as little as a software problem that the pump or diverter valve are not getting the command to cool the battery. It can be no more than a air bubble in the coolant system. Or a bad connection. A crushed coolant lines. And on and on. The technology is very new to the dealers. And many have resisted to pay for their techs to go for training. Instead relying on video training. Not the same quality by any means. Verify that your dealer is EV certified. If not, your case manager may have the car towed to one that is.
Actually the case manager told me he had his technicians involved. Yes the dealership didnt even check my car for two days before the case manager called them. I dont know anything about cars so i rely on whatever they told me. I hope they are right cause they should know more than me. The dealer said its the chiller i dont know if he means valve or chiller. I told him also to update the car cause ofter 80% the speed was 14kw.
 

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Actually the case manager told me he had his technicians involved. Yes the dealership didnt even check my car for two days before the case manager called them. I dont know anything about cars so i rely on whatever they told me. I hope they are right cause they should know more than me. The dealer said its the chiller i dont know if he means valve or chiller. I told him also to update the car cause ofter 80% the speed was 14kw.
Most dealer service bays only have 1 or 2 EV techs. Some even only have 1/3. (They share them between locations). That creates long delays in work. It also encourages the service manager to put someone on the car that does not have a full understanding of it. Mach-E's are very technical and require extreme accuracy in the steps one takes, and details involved to accomplish a task. Under the piece-work system that dealers use to pay their techs it's even worst. That's why when one has a problem, they should immediately involve the EV rep. That way a zone tech from Ford may wind up visiting for the repair.
 

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It doesn’t work that way. You can’t just pull parts destined for production to fix warranty in the field because then you totally screw up production schedules and logistics. This is the same reason you’ll see the 4:00 PM flight to JFK sitting there delayed while the 5:00 PM flight departs on time.
I worked in the computer division that made special systems. So, we did not have a lot of extra inventory and when a part broke in the field, the field service logistic person had the authority to take parts out of the manufacturing cycle. Their logic, which I cannot disagree with "You have no right to sell to new Customers with an existing Customer down. An existing Customer has priority over new sales".
 

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You bought your car Oct. 2021. You did not wait until the bugs were worked out. Inane reply. You are full of bugs.
Ford apparently didn't do enough testing of these cars either. Honestly, some of these issues should have been caught before they became as widespread and expensive as they now are to fix, in terms of cost of parts, labor, time, and inconvenience to the owners of the vehicles that are failing. An ounce of prevention would have been worth waaaaaay more than their crappy pound of cure. For a company supposedly betting it's future on EVs they couldn't possibly be screwing this up anymore than they already are. And just when I think it couldn't get worse, Ford seems to double down on perpetuating the pain.
 
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Ford apparently didn't do enough testing of these cars either. Honestly, some of these issues should have been caught before they became as widespread and expensive as they now are to fix, in terms of cost of parts, labor, time, and inconvenience to the owners of the vehicles that are failing. An ounce of prevention would have been worth waaaaaay more than their crappy pound of cure. For a company supposedly betting it's future on EVs they couldn't possibly be screwing this up anymore than they already are. And just when I think it couldn't get worse, Ford seems to double down on perpetuating the pain.
I mean, in some ways this is absolutely true. I think this particular issue may be down more to QA/QC. We have only seen two possible instances of the chiller going bad/being defective as far as we know. That doesn't indicate a design or true manufacturing issue like the HVJBC problem. Unless you are talking about testing the car as it comes off of the line.

I don't agree that Ford is screwing things up as much as possible. Things could be way more screwed up.
 

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Meh. I had a 2009 Ford Edge that had a bad passenger airbag. It sat in my driveway for 12 months waiting for an airbag while I drove a rental car. Did I rant about Ford for getting bad airbags? No. Did I whine that I couldn't use the car I had paid for? No. I made the best of the situation and moved on.

You can choose to either feel a victim and be miserable or you can choose to make the best of the situation and move forward. How you are affected by this is totally in your hands.
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I mean, in some ways this is absolutely true. I think this particular issue may be down more to QA/QC. We have only seen two possible instances of the chiller going bad/being defective as far as we know. That doesn't indicate a design or true manufacturing issue like the HVJBC problem. Unless you are talking about testing the car as it comes off of the line.

I don't agree that Ford is screwing things up as much as possible. Things could be way more screwed up.
I am talking the BS that is getting this stupid SSN now crap fixed.
 

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Let's also keep in mind, Ford doesn't want cars to need warranty repairs. It's costly for them and bad for the brand. I think that certain choices were made in the development, testing and design that could have been better. The problem with producing anything that people use is that if you sell enough of them, there will be instances of failure of the tool to operate correctly. The problem with producing a tool where there are a bunch of different competing interests with different motivations inside the large entity that creates it is that they may release something that isn't quite ready for prime-time or that corners had to be cut to even get the tool out in a timely manner. All this is to say that releasing your first version of a brand new type of tool (the Mach-E) has to be difficult, and failures are bound to be more common than a traditional ICE mid cycle vehicle.

We all wanted to be part of this exciting new phase of Ford's evolution, even if we didn't really think of it that way. These are some of the downfalls. It's still an amazing vehicle. It's not for everyone. But it sure seems to tick a lot of boxes for a lot of people.
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